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greetings and salutations

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old friends and hopefully some new

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uh here welcome welcome to truth seekers

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tonight is a a truth seeker special

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uh we are continuing in our revisiting

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roswell series bringing together the

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world's greatest

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and experts into the roswell event

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and i can think of no better expert

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really world-renowned expert

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to welcome to our show when talking

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about the roswell event then tonight's

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guest

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donald r schmidt uh donald r schmidt

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is a graduate of concordia university

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five times best-selling author

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actually i think this is a little old

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it's probably six or seven times

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best-selling author by now

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he's also the former co-director of the

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j allen

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uh high neck center for ufo studies of

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chicago

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there he served as the director of

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special investigations

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for 10 years and he's also the founder

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one of the founders and board advisor to

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international ufo museum

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and research center in roswell new

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mexico

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besides that uh you may be aware that he

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is also

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was a film consultant for the film

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roswell the hollywood movie

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uh as well as appearing on many

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different documentaries

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uh he's been on tons of radio shows

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podcasts

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uh television all usually discussing the

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roswell or other ufo events

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so pleased to have him uh so ladies and

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gentlemen let's welcome our guest mr

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don schmidt how you doing mr schmidt

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it's good to talk to you again well

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you're

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very kind very very flattered by your

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introduction so thank you

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well you may remember i interviewed one

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other time and it was my

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probably my favorite interview on my

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radio show was you

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and uh stan friedman those were my two

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favorites from that whole

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run of hundreds of interviews and the

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most memorable to me

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thank you so i'm not sure where to begin

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but i did want to begin

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with i know you've had this lifelong

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interest in ufos

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i don't know that i've ever asked heard

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anybody ask you

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why the interest in ufos and then why

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specifically to roswell

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being such a focus of your research and

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and authors authorship of so many books

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i was just in fourth grade

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at the time of the kennedy assassination

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and i was home alone with my mother that

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weekend my father was only in business

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and i was glued to the television set

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for four straight days and

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it's an argument i often use against

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those who suggest

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that well you know memories fade people

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they they exaggerate they fabricate you

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know events

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in their lives because uh our memories

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just do not remember remain intact

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and this happened now going on

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we're approaching 60 years ago sure

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and i remember down to the

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minute exactly what transpired when we

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word and the nuns wheeling the

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television set into the classroom and

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what they

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said and then how we were you know

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and then watching my mother cry you know

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for three straight days over what

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was happening right before our eyes that

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and i wasn't in dealey plaza

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at the time i wasn't down in dallas i

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wasn't involved in any

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manner shape or form and yet i remember

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what because it was such a profound

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event in my life

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so it's the same argument that we would

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use regarding uh our witnesses at

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the difference being they were there

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it's that profound so how do you ever

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and i already was very much in the

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history

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you that

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whenever they'd ask well what would you

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like for christmas or for your birthday

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that type of thing

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i would have book titles listed

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six years old already i wanted books for

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christmas

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and i slipped away into the book section

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of the department store

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now mind you this was right after the

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came out was released the kennedy

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investigation at that time and

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there was this book that had

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the exact same words that were being

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banded about at the time of the warren

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report

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whitewash cover-up but it was in

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reference to a ufo book it was

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a frank edwards book flying saucers

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serious business

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and i paged through it and i thought wow

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what a big story if this is all true

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we're being visited you know there's an

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intelligence from off the planet that

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may be actually here

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and sure why aren't we hearing about

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this in the mainstream media

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why is this being whitewashed why is

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this being covered up

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that type of thing and so i couldn't get

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enough of the the subject matter

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i couldn't wait to find another ufo book

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and the one chapter in the book was

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entitled

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who's driving and it was all about ufo

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occupant cases

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and wouldn't you know what my next book

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was by coral and jim lorenzen the

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founders of the aerial phenomena

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research organization april

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entitled flying saucer occupants

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so the whole book was ce3 occupant

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stories from around the world and

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as coral and jim in

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the opening text suggested to the reader

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you don't have to believe all of these

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cases but just imagine if just

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one is true just one

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and how it changes everything changes

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our perception

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of this world of our lives of our

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futures everything and so

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away with

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uh in my english classes and my my

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speech classes i would get up and i'd be

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able to give a talk on ufos

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without so much time right you must have

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much more understanding teachers than me

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here or anything like that

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well i went that's great so you had this

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early burning interest in this

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absolutely and i had i went to parochial

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school i went to catholic school for

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but i went to a public high school and

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so uh yes you're absolutely correct

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stephen they were very open

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to the subject matter because it was at

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the time that the air force was still

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officially investigating the phenomena

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it was still in the the public genre

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for for that time and so you couldn't

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that readily just dismissed something

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that the government was still officially

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so it was was was open territory in that

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and then through college and then

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thereafter i went into investigative

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training because i wanted to

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be in the field i wanted to actually

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work on these cases

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i couldn't imagine anything more

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exciting than actually being with

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witnesses

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and recreating their experiences and

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going to the

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scene of the crime so to speak and yet i

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was still a skeptic on roswell

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wow i still remain a skeptic on roswell

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in fact even through the mid 80s i put

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out a paper

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i that i could not accept that something

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of that magnitude could be kept a secret

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for 40 years as the case would be at

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and for making that first trip with uh

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with kevin randle in 1989 both of us

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we were so confident that we would yeah

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i heard i interviewed him and he said

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that you guys thought that you would

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case closed in a few days right

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you know weekend single weekend john

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the case because we were speaking to

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third hand fourth hand witnesses but on

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the second and third day as we were

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who had actually handled the wreckage

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and one by one they're describing the

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the same characteristics the same

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properties of this

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this unusual this bizarre material

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that even 40 years in the future they

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still have never seen anything like it

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they still could not comprehend what

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they had held in their very hands

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and so kevin and i were walking away and

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going gee

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maybe we need to get back down here as

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fast we can because what if we're wrong

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and we decided we needed to start

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treating it as though

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it was the genuine article because i

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think the worst thing would have been

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is that we would have still approached

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this with the preconceived

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position we're out to prove that this

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and i'm sorry whether it's from

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the skeptical or the

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outright believer that's not the

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scientific methodology

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you go where the evidence leads you you

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know where your own research as

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it develops and as it remains fluid as

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you approach it

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you let it steer rudder the ship

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anytime any scientist so-called

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scientist

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has a preconceived theory and they set

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out to prove it

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there's nothing scientific about that

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because you're going to cherry-pick

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information

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yeah i think i think in this field

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there's a lot of that there's believers

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and they believe that this was aliens so

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they find the evidence that would

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indicate it's alien and they only talk

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about that

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they don't they don't accept both sides

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and that's not a good way to do it i

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could not agree more

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and the other the other thing is and i

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find this even especially with

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journalists

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in dealing with eyewitnesses and that's

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the situation we have with roswell

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that's a situation we basically have

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investigation of ufos that we're still

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dealing with a

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witness a phenomenon

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roswell if we actually had a piece of

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hardware

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in our possession it wouldn't matter

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what any witnesses it wouldn't matter

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what any skeptics or believers said you

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know we'll let the evidence speak for

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itself yeah that would be the holy grail

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if we could find

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yeah and we continue that's where our

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greatest effort continues

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yet as an investigative journalist as an

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investigative

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researcher writer what

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most still do not do is

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they they feel they've wrapped up

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an interview and then they make a

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a judgmental call as to well no

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do i believe this do i accept this is

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there room for air do i provide a little

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attitude

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that type of thing but how many step

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back and say

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what if this person is telling the truth

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most journalists don't do that nowadays

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and most investigators don't do that

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they feel as though even in dealing with

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just a

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people situation

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that they know what's in the person's

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head they know what's in the person's

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heart

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that they can make that call and i think

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that's one of the reasons that

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you have to educate yourself as much as

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possible

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that you don't become the end-all as as

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much as you at least

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have so much information

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to rely on in making such a call

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that well if they describe

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where for example stephen if i have 10

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witnesses tell me

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that the ship at roswell was shaped one

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way

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and then i have a lone individual comes

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forward and it says well

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it was shaped like this and it was as

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big as a house

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and it wasn't located there it was

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located here and

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well i i think we have the makings of

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disqualifying that individual

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yeah but the majority are telling you

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right but it's up to me

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to have done enough homework

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that i can weigh all that information

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because you're you're hitting on

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something stephen that i see more and

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more

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where alone in the alone researcher

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alone investigator

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will speak to one individual and they'll

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go

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i have the star witness i can wrap this

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up

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i have one individual i've never talked

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to anyone else

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but i have a witness that you guys

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haven't talked to

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and they say this and take or leave it

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against problematic that's problematic

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that's faulty

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reasoning it's a fault you're starting

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on a faulty as far as premise

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and you're demonstrating that um

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you're really not an investigator as

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much as you are an exploiter

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what you what you're seeking to do is

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you know checkmate

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by just making one move and coming into

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the game you know hours

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late that type of thing we have many

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colleagues in the field like that

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and god bless them at least their

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supporting

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the case in that regard but you know

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they'll pull this

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um as far as like area 51

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that particular book with annie jacobson

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where you come up with yeah i have had

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so many people bring that up to me and

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the reason that that's problematic is

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because the witness that she used that

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told her all this stuff

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he later said i was just trying to help

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her sell books number one

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and number two he told george knapp an

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entirely different

389
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story about what happened so to me

390
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and that's what roswell is but there's

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he's the only witness actually

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he's the only person jammed them into a

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horton brother flying away oh that's

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what it was you're right i apologize

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i read that by the russians and first of

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all historically joseph mengele was

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not captured by the russians no he was

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in argentina

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he escaped to argentina he married a

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beautiful uh woman in argentina that he

401
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lived out the rest of his life with

402
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and a lot of those nazis did they either

403
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went to paper clip or argentina those

404
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were the two places you went if you were

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verified nazi after world war ii

406
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but generally stephen is there all types

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of fbi documents that they knew

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they were down there and yeah they were

409
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more concerned about the cold war

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and that the nazis could help us with

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their

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information regarding the soviet the

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soviet union

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so we were using as far as them in that

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regard so

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uh annie you totally spun the entire

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situation

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and then as far as the flying wing well

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there

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were only two recovered uh prototypes

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one embraces inaudible and it's

422
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presently at the smithsonian

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yeah and it's nothing more than

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tubular bicycle uh metal

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with varnished wood

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as far as happening around the frame

427
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yeah on the frame that type of thing

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so annie we're supposed to believe that

429
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mengele created

430
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13 year old children to appear alien and

431
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they were flown all the way from russia

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to the central high desert of new mexico

433
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yeah the gas tank wouldn't even go that

434
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far like just logically it's so

435
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yeah yeah yet to this day even though as

436
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you mentioned as well that her source

437
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has reneged his back down

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he did even as far as an abc nightline

439
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where he recanted return

440
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and he made that comment i was just

441
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trying to help her sell books

442
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well she's still trying to sell books

443
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yeah well good for her because it worked

444
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she sold my blog in that book yes yeah

445
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which otherwise

446
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was a decent book i'll give her that

447
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like area 51 i like history

448
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it was a decent book until she cracked a

449
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bed at the end

450
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it wasn't good yeah one thing she did

451
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demonstrate

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is that what is the one chapter the one

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piece of information that the press

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uh as far as yeah they seized on that

455
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yeah

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was roswell so this was post-project

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mobile

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this was beyond any other alternative

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explanation it was another theory of the

460
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month as we would call them

461
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the flavor of the day that type of thing

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and it was again

463
00:20:01,750 --> 00:20:00,880
what the press you know as far as

464
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focused on

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so um thank you annie for that much yeah

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and

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i guess for listen next it's important

468
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:08,960
to me that i get something

469
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it's kind of the elephant in the room

470
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:12,000
for me out of the way

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and that is uh you know

472
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:18,400
people are very critical of some people

473
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who may have believed the witness at one

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point and later said

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00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:24,880
that witness is not credible and it has

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gone to extreme lengths to the point

477
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where

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another show host like wound up one of

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his friendly

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uh listen i don't know and there was

481
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:35,360
this big twitter thing earlier that you

482
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and kevin randle and everybody on my

483
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:38,799
series are

484
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:41,200
or got paid government disinformation

485
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agents i don't believe that

486
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i'm just telling you what people said

487
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and this was revolving

488
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around of course your one-time

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association

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with uh what wait what's the witness

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here hold on

492
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one second right kaufman frank kaufman

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yes

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i even got an article here called every

495
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circus needs a clown which is written by

496
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timothy princi

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we're not going to go into that but well

498
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listen

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i i said to that person like kevin

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randle came on the series and talked

501
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about what happened there

502
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he's already explained it but if you

503
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would like to because this person listen

504
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i don't like when people come on twitter

505
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and crap all over my guests that's

506
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slander to me

507
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i said show me a pay stub that that

508
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randall or don schmidt or

509
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cia disinformation agents it's crazy i'm

510
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still waiting

511
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for the check yeah me too i'm apparently

512
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the mastermind behind this whole thing

513
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mr schmidt

514
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so do you want to talk about this guy

515
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just so that we could clear the air

516
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about what happened with him and his

517
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inclusion and some of your material

518
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and you're later and to me it's it takes

519
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a man to say

520
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i made a mistake we were misled here's

521
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what happened

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and we disavailed that that person's

523
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testimony nail i think that that shows

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you're human

525
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and that you're willing to accept that

526
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:58,720
you made a mistake because some guys

527
00:22:01,110 --> 00:22:00,159
would just double down and they wouldn't

528
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admit

529
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that that that was a problematic witness

530
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,120
like the skeptics who

531
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uh it will never matter what the proof

532
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:08,159
no matter

533
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:11,360
what uh the evidence they will not they

534
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:12,880
will never accept it

535
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:14,480
because again they are the ones

536
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:16,400
demonstrating their preconceived

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position

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that anything but e.t but they will

539
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:22,480
never accept

540
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,400
that roswell or any other case would

541
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,480
demonstrate that not only were you not

542
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alone but that we are being visited

543
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:33,520
they will draw the line there so who are

544
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the most close-minded who are the least

545
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objective

546
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and who are the ones that i mean i've

547
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:43,120
never crossed paths with tim trenty

548
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i've never met him down in new mexico my

549
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,880
god i've been to new mexico almost 200

550
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times

551
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:50,240
we've talked to most of our witnesses

552
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face to face

553
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:53,600
and we're talking about over 600 that

554
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:55,360
we've interviewed

555
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:57,440
either directly or indirectly involved

556
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over the last 32 years

557
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:02,480
they're just about all gone now but

558
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:03,679
we're the ones who made

559
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:06,559
all that effort we're the ones that have

560
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:08,000
had the five archaeological

561
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:10,960
digs at the crash site they'll find

562
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,679
whatever we find

563
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i just want to say to your credit and

564
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tom carries

565
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:19,440
and kevin randles and a few others if

566
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:22,080
you guys didn't go down there and chase

567
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you literally i've heard you describe it

568
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,280
as chasing the undertaker

569
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:27,440
there's a time limit here friends these

570
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,640
people are old

571
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most of them are dead now but at the

572
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:32,080
time when you started in the 80s they

573
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:33,440
were just a lot of the first time

574
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:34,880
witnesses were still alive

575
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:36,960
so you and and tom carey and kevin

576
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:39,200
randle you go racing down there to try

577
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,840
to get

578
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:41,600
on record testimony from all these

579
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:43,200
witnesses before they die

580
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:45,120
and if you guys hadn't done that we

581
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:47,200
wouldn't know half of what we know

582
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:49,520
about this event and i don't think

583
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:50,880
anybody could ever

584
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:53,200
you know prove that as as a faulty

585
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,240
statement

586
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,400
because we were the only ones doing it

587
00:24:02,950 --> 00:23:59,039
when i first approached stanton friedman

588
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:02,960
it was a dear friend and

589
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:06,159
we often feuded we were often at odds

590
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:07,279
with one another

591
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:09,919
but it wasn't personal as much as it was

592
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:10,480
just

593
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:13,919
disagreeing on policy disagreeing as far

594
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:14,720
as uh

595
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:18,240
investigative notes that type of thing

596
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:20,480
stan was not an investigator he was not

597
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:23,279
a researcher he was an archivist

598
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:26,720
sure he would fall short like stan you

599
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:27,120
had

600
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,640
a particular witness why didn't you tell

601
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:30,159
me about that i would have talked to

602
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:30,559
them

603
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:31,840
i would have gone and actually

604
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:34,240
interviewed them well i didn't think was

605
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:35,360
that important

606
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,640
well it's all important because if

607
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:40,799
we can document their presence back in

608
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,760
47

609
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:44,000
if there's any chance that they may have

610
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:44,880
been involved

611
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:47,279
or they could lead us to somebody else

612
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:48,480
we can't just

613
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,960
well now they're gone and we missed an

614
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,320
opportunity

615
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:54,320
and i can't tell you stephen how often

616
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:56,320
we would find somebody and oh they just

617
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:57,600
died a year ago

618
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:00,559
we had one particular situation where we

619
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:03,200
call that we're speaking to the wife

620
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,200
and she's asking if we could call back

621
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:09,600
because she's just returning from the

622
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:10,720
funeral

623
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:13,360
yeah that's terrible and there's nothing

624
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:14,799
more frustrating

625
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:17,600
and this the skeptics have never been in

626
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:18,880
that boat

627
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:22,080
they have no idea what it's like to

628
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:24,320
have doors slam in your faces they have

629
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:26,480
phones slammed in your ear

630
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:28,559
and the thought that you're spending all

631
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:30,000
this time and effort

632
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:33,760
when there was no internet 32 years ago

633
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,720
there was no rolodex as far as a as far

634
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:38,480
as your cd-rom that you type in

635
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:40,080
somebody's name and it would give you

636
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:41,200
the address

637
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:43,120
we had to physically track these people

638
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,039
down

639
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:47,840
we had to actually you know as far as we

640
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:49,840
did credit checks we went through motor

641
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,640
vehicle

642
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:53,279
we went through air certification hoping

643
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:55,120
that many of them who were pilots in the

644
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:55,840
service

645
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,880
would have continued licensing as far as

646
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:00,960
private pilots that type of thing

647
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:04,880
we would compile reunion lists

648
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:08,240
we use government computers at times and

649
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:11,679
we use the hacker with the va

650
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:16,080
who provided us with a lot of names

651
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:19,840
and addresses but we still did it

652
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:22,240
and sure we were skirting the rules at

653
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:23,600
times because to us it was more

654
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:24,000
important

655
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:25,600
to find these people and to provide them

656
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,159
with an opportunity to finally speak out

657
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,240
while there was still time

658
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,240
and because as you you mentioned stephen

659
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:34,799
we were racing with the undertaker

660
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:38,080
well anytime you're in a race

661
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,200
there's a good chance you're going to

662
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:41,840
stumble and fall because it's one thing

663
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:42,240
to be

664
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:44,799
on the sidelines you know hey your

665
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:46,640
stride isn't the way i like it or you're

666
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:48,080
going in the wrong direction

667
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:50,000
or you're going too fast or you're going

668
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:51,760
too slow well why don't you come in the

669
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,320
race

670
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,320
why don't you get in here and follow or

671
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,559
see if you could even catch up to me

672
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:59,039
and then let's see how you do all this

673
00:27:01,350 --> 00:27:00,960
monday morning quarterbacking as far as

674
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:01,360
whether

675
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,960
i i i hear you yeah i hear you

676
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,880
and then we have we have a real problem

677
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:08,400
right now with the younger generation of

678
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,919
people that call themselves researchers

679
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:11,679
but all they do is

680
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,840
i call them right click researchers if

681
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:15,679
it's not on the internet they can't i'm

682
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:17,440
amazed at the stuff i could find just by

683
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:18,399
picking up the phone

684
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:20,159
and people i could talk to nobody does

685
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:21,679
that anymore

686
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:25,120
when you speak to witnesses

687
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,480
who become emotional when you sit there

688
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:30,799
and there was a particular witness that

689
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:32,799
we had worked on for over a year and i

690
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:34,000
say worked on

691
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:37,760
between his wife and tom carrying myself

692
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:41,120
just trying to get him to open up

693
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:44,960
and mind you this is a witness who

694
00:27:49,549 --> 00:27:48,799
we can is document the roswell army

695
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:49,559
yearbook

696
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,240
1947. so what's what's what the

697
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:53,760
skeptic's going to say well that doesn't

698
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:54,799
prove they were there

699
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:57,440
well see again what are your standards

700
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:57,840
they're

701
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,399
at the base and still well you got to

702
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,559
pull them out of the scenario because

703
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,080
they can't be there because maybe

704
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,000
they're legit

705
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:08,880
so they're there we can document that

706
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,799
and the wife describes to us that we

707
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:12,640
have not slept in the same bedroom for

708
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:13,760
40 years

709
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:16,159
because of his nightmares because he'll

710
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,919
jolt up in the middle of night over and

711
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:19,679
over again and he screams out he yells

712
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:20,080
out

713
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,440
mind he can't get

714
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,600
what he saw back at that hangar in

715
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,279
roswell back in 47

716
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,760
out of his memory and then when he

717
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:31,760
finally opens up and talks to us and he

718
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,919
sob is like a little boy he caught

719
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,840
i mean the tears just stream down his

720
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:36,960
face

721
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:39,279
and these people who have never

722
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:40,640
interviewed a witness in their lives

723
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:42,080
would just sit back and go

724
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:45,440
well he's a liar he's a liar yeah i

725
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,279
i have to be honest with you in that we

726
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:49,679
we've had mr corford and uh

727
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,840
i just think he's too dismissive of all

728
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:53,679
these witness testimonies

729
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:56,240
having uh you know and and it seems to

730
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,000
me that this whole series has been sort

731
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,480
of a ping pong back and forth it's like

732
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:02,640
one researcher like mr randall or you or

733
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,919
mr carrie will say

734
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,760
i talked to this witness who said this

735
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,679
and then he says no they didn't say that

736
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:09,840
i have a quote that they didn't say that

737
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:11,600
but you guys have

738
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:14,159
you know uh recorded interviews and and

739
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:15,200
things so there's

740
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,960
a back and forth how did they get the

741
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,240
quote from

742
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:20,960
took it off the internet and i'll

743
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:21,840
guarantee you

744
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:24,159
bro i i haven't announced this yet but

745
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,679
what i'm going to do mr schmidt

746
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:27,520
after this series is over is i'm going

747
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,440
to go through your books

748
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:31,679
mr randall's books and and and your

749
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:32,880
books with tom carey

750
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:35,919
and cal course books and for each

751
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:38,000
person i'm going to create a a

752
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:39,679
spreadsheet and we're going to try

753
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:41,840
to get to the bottom of each of the

754
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,799
witnesses

755
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:44,399
so it'll be a little harder for him to

756
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:46,240
just be dismissive and say

757
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,399
they didn't say that they said this you

758
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,640
know or or

759
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,799
to be so dismissive one of the one of

760
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,080
your books that i really found

761
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:56,000
fascinating was children of roswell

762
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:56,559
because

763
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,840
i have a hard time believing that

764
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,679
towards the end of their lives a bunch

765
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:01,360
of people just started making up stories

766
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:02,640
about aliens

767
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:04,399
or seeing aliens out in the desert and

768
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:05,840
told their kids this

769
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:09,360
there is not a skeptic alive that

770
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:13,760
can rule out all of the roswell deathbed

771
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,799
testimonies

772
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,480
each and every one that are admissible

773
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:17,840
in a court of law

774
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:20,480
and say that it only applies to

775
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:21,440
witnesses

776
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:24,640
who are describing details

777
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,760
about roswell but yet then every other

778
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:29,440
deathbed testimony

779
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,640
is acceptable we can't have cultures

780
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:34,559
can't have it both ways but they want it

781
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:37,520
both ways i mean you people would fail

782
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,919
miserably in courts of law because you

783
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:41,039
would say well

784
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,120
i want to throw his witness testimony

785
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:45,200
out because i don't like it

786
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,960
but sorry then we got to throw out yours

787
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,720
we're going to throw out your witnesses

788
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:52,320
do you have any witnesses

789
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:55,120
and they would go well no but isn't my

790
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,799
word good enough well no you weren't

791
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:58,080
there in 1947

792
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,120
what did you talk to any of the

793
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:01,279
witnesses well no but my word is good

794
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:02,799
enough well

795
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,880
were you ever in new mexico well no but

796
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,960
you have to take my word for it

797
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,480
yeah and the other thing i guess i would

798
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:11,039
say is that i would think that you guys

799
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,240
you mr randall and mr carrie having

800
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:15,919
interviewed so many witnesses

801
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:19,120
have gotten sort of a uh a

802
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:21,039
sense of whether people are being honest

803
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:22,159
with you or not

804
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,840
and just quickly back to this frank

805
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:25,360
kaufman yes i wanted

806
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:28,880
to yeah so he he sort of came out with

807
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,279
basically telling you and every other

808
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:33,840
person interested in roswell exactly

809
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,600
a great story that you would want to

810
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:37,440
hear but later it turns out that he's

811
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:38,399
not so credible

812
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:41,120
can you talk a little bit about that

813
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,960
when we first talked to frank kaufman in

814
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:44,559
1990

815
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:46,240
he presented himself as just a

816
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,399
second-hand witness

817
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:50,399
that he was at the base and he is in the

818
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,159
base yearbook

819
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:54,640
uh i'm sure he was there we can

820
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:57,039
establish his bona fides

821
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:00,640
and he stayed in roswell

822
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:02,720
he would become the president of the

823
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:04,000
chamber of commerce

824
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:07,440
in roswell for 30 years and so

825
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,399
he was a respected business person as

826
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:12,000
well

827
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:15,679
and so we are referred to him

828
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:18,960
and he's talking second hand

829
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:22,080
which evolves into

830
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:25,120
well i saw this i was involved with this

831
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:26,720
aspect of the case

832
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:29,279
eventually where he becomes part of the

833
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:30,559
recovery

834
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,080
team one of the nine as he called it

835
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:36,480
and not only firsthand to the remains of

836
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:37,760
the craft

837
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,240
but also the bodies and so

838
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:44,399
anytime you have a potential first-hand

839
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:45,679
witness

840
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:49,840
to what is the meat of the case

841
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:53,200
the the the the one thing that binds

842
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:53,760
this

843
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:57,039
you know all together you work

844
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:59,519
even more diligently in establishing

845
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:00,559
whether they're

846
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:03,760
being truthful or not

847
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:08,480
and as a result when we did cbs 48 hours

848
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,919
and i was with phil jones we allowed

849
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:13,760
jones

850
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:16,480
to spend as much time with frank kaufman

851
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:17,440
as he could

852
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:20,399
because we wanted a seasoned newsman we

853
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,640
know a senior reporter at cbs

854
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:25,120
working right directly under dan rather

855
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,880
at that time

856
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:28,720
to see what his impressions were see if

857
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:31,120
he could break him in any way

858
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:34,080
and then when we had the law firm in

859
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:35,919
washington

860
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:38,159
and two of their attorneys one was a

861
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:39,679
shapiro

862
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:44,559
um as i recall sounds like a writer

863
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,000
and uh related to the uh

864
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:51,120
shapiro that represented o.j simpson for

865
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:52,640
that matter yeah

866
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,240
well anyway we allowed them to spend in

867
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,720
private quarters hours with frank

868
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:00,559
kaufman

869
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:02,000
so we're getting it from a legal

870
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:04,080
standpoint we're getting it from a media

871
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:05,679
standpoint

872
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:09,359
and we even had other witnesses come

873
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,399
and sit with kaufman and exchange notes

874
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:17,280
and then walk away and then see okay we

875
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:19,040
kevin and i would be on the receiving

876
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,879
end

877
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,960
and one after the other we were getting

878
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:24,720
these glowing reports

879
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:25,919
couldn't break them couldn't break

880
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,560
kaufman phil jones

881
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,320
one of the best witnesses i've ever

882
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:32,480
dealt with you know he actually told us

883
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:33,760
that

884
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,919
and like kevin and don you guys are

885
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:37,280
sitting on one of the biggest stories

886
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:39,359
here of all time

887
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:40,720
and the fact that even at the end of

888
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:43,440
that very segment on on cbs 48 hours dan

889
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:44,000
rather

890
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,200
ends ends by stating quote

891
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,599
truly something extraordinary crashed

892
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:51,760
outside of roswell new mexico in july of

893
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,879
1947.

894
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,800
end quote yeah and this is dan rather

895
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:56,639
saying this this is a no slouch

896
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:00,720
yeah that's cbs news exactly

897
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:03,760
and so yes

898
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,760
we spent a lot of time with frank

899
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:08,240
kaufman but the difference is

900
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,839
we were the ones doing it

901
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:13,920
i don't recall again i don't remember

902
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:16,160
that any of the skeptics ever came

903
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,920
except for philip j class but then it

904
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:19,440
was interesting for us

905
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:22,320
yeah but as far as the others doing

906
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:24,160
anything that proved that kaufman was

907
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,760
legit or not

908
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:27,280
and did you have sort of a friendly

909
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:29,200
relationship with phil class you guys

910
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,000
like you kind of knew

911
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:32,240
like he's the into our yang we can't we

912
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,040
can't

913
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:35,200
hate the guy for believing something

914
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:37,040
else you know we're trying to

915
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,920
check our work or our research right no

916
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:41,520
it wasn't

917
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:43,440
like contentious between you guys you

918
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:44,880
were on a lot of shows together and

919
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,079
different things

920
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:48,720
did we even debate it uh i was kevin and

921
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:49,599
i were invited

922
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,320
to uh their cyclop when it was still

923
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:54,079
psycho committee for the scientific

924
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,359
investigation of claims of the

925
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:57,599
paranormal their annual convention at

926
00:36:03,349 --> 00:35:58,400
the harvey

927
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:03,359
hotel in dallas in i believe 1992

928
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,800
and and kevin uh backed out

929
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,880
the week before because he felt we were

930
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:10,560
going into a lion's den

931
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,920
and they would eat us up and i went

932
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,839
alone

933
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:17,839
and it's good for you because you had to

934
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:19,280
know that was going to be contentious

935
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,599
right

936
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,599
it was originally well you had the

937
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,520
entire audience as well as

938
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:26,079
phil class was the moderator and then

939
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:27,920
the debate was originally to have been

940
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:29,680
robert young who i knew personally

941
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:32,320
for correspondence and then at the time

942
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:33,200
captain

943
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:36,720
james magaha of the air force

944
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:40,079
and so i knew it would quickly turn into

945
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:41,520
three against one

946
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:43,839
because the main debater of the

947
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:46,880
opposition then became phil

948
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:50,320
yeah and i stood my ground and i had

949
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:52,720
reporters i had a reporter from uh

950
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:56,000
um associated press that even felt that

951
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,560
i had won

952
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,560
the debate because i stuck to the

953
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:00,320
witnesses i stuck to the issues

954
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:02,960
i stuck to what i could uh you know

955
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:03,680
verify

956
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:05,520
for again the people i had actually

957
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:06,800
talked to

958
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:09,440
and all they could do is well they

959
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,800
didn't really mean that

960
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:12,720
or they were fabricating you know that

961
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:13,839
testimony

962
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:15,920
and i know kaufman came up and at the

963
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,960
time

964
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,640
i didn't consider him i don't believe we

965
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:20,560
considered him a star witness

966
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:29,589
kept investigating his information

967
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:32,240
and so we were the ones that after he

968
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:34,000
passed away

969
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:37,200
now mind you stephen after he had been

970
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:40,400
diagnosed with terminal cancer

971
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:43,440
i went at my own personal expense now

972
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:44,720
here's the other point

973
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,400
kevin lives in iowa i live in wisconsin

974
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:50,640
kevin and i are in driving distance to

975
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:51,839
one another

976
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:55,280
but new mexico is a cheap flight yeah

977
00:38:02,230 --> 00:37:58,720
no and it's still a 24-hour drive

978
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,240
so we're covering our phone expenses

979
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:04,560
which at the time you know you were

980
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:06,400
getting charged long distance

981
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:10,079
by the minute yeah i i remember because

982
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:10,400
i

983
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:27,839
a thousand dollars a month between the

984
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:29,119
two of us

985
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,040
wow and then we were making all these

986
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:33,680
trips we were going to new mexico

987
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:36,960
five six times a year we were going to

988
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:40,240
uh state of washington and oregon

989
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,359
and and montana and minnesota and out to

990
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,359
washington and down to florida

991
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:47,680
and down to kentucky into new york and

992
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,520
michigan minnesota

993
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:51,839
texas we were going repeatedly wherever

994
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:53,040
there were witnesses

995
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:55,760
we were going and interviewing them

996
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:56,720
personally

997
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:59,200
because we felt it was that important

998
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:00,240
and so

999
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,280
yeah you can wave kaufman at us like

1000
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:05,040
it's some mortal sin that

1001
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:08,079
uh disqualifies our entire investigation

1002
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:11,119
but we were interviewing hundreds yeah

1003
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:11,599
and i

1004
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:13,599
consider it like throwing out the baby

1005
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,640
with the bathwater

1006
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,400
you know okay you've got one witness

1007
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:17,760
that fabricated

1008
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:19,920
that you can you can show yeah this guy

1009
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:22,160
fabricated his involvement

1010
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:25,119
but that doesn't negate the other 500 or

1011
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:27,200
600 witnesses that you talk to

1012
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:30,160
of course not and and and the main point

1013
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:31,359
being

1014
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:34,880
who are the ones that proved kaufman

1015
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:36,720
to yeah actually it was you guys that

1016
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,839
pretty much proved that he was

1017
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:39,440
fabricating and then and then sort of

1018
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:40,720
back away from

1019
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:43,680
we were the ones who at his home after

1020
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:44,079
he

1021
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,359
passed away you know in his office and

1022
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:49,599
i'm pulling out the desk drawers and i'm

1023
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,240
reaching

1024
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,720
under and seeing if there's any and i

1025
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:54,320
find the satchel of

1026
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,119
all the original documents and we found

1027
00:40:02,550 --> 00:39:59,440
the old circa 1947

1028
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:02,560
typewriter and we found all the as far

1029
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:03,280
as the

1030
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:06,800
the uh collection of uh the old onion

1031
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:07,280
skin

1032
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:09,440
paper the parchment paper that he was

1033
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:11,599
using to create what looked what

1034
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,560
appeared to be

1035
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:14,400
a legitimate documents that type of

1036
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:15,680
thing he was forging

1037
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:18,400
signatures he had a copy machine he was

1038
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:20,160
doing cut and paste stuff the point

1039
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:20,880
being

1040
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,480
we did that so we're policing ourselves

1041
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,720
i don't need anybody again from their

1042
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,079
computer sitting there

1043
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:29,680
and saying well we should have could

1044
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,240
have would have i mean it

1045
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,480
um yeah yeah well i think you've

1046
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:36,160
explained it adequately and like i said

1047
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:36,960
i for one

1048
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:40,480
like i said you know you shouldn't have

1049
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:42,079
a problem with researchers who make

1050
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,040
mistakes

1051
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,880
and then try to correct them the bigger

1052
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:46,560
problem is the people that double down

1053
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:47,680
when they know that

1054
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,359
you know i can't tell you how many

1055
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:51,520
people that i've talked to

1056
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:53,839
you know like just a quick example in

1057
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:55,680
particular like somebody was using a

1058
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,760
convicted child molester as proof of an

1059
00:41:00,550 --> 00:41:00,160
alien story and i said i'm sorry but i

1060
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,560
don't

1061
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:02,319
think that a child molesters credible

1062
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:04,960
witness and should be believed and they

1063
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:07,839
went along with you know still using him

1064
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:09,040
as a source

1065
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:12,079
so i wanted to get to the uh quickly you

1066
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,440
make our you make another

1067
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:15,359
good point and i'm not going to reveal

1068
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,480
any names

1069
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:18,400
i'm not going to even hint but

1070
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:19,520
nonetheless

1071
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:21,760
it was one of the skeptics years ago in

1072
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:24,319
an effort to discredit

1073
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:27,359
one of the lady witnesses

1074
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:31,280
she started to receive pornography

1075
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,359
unsolicited from this individual

1076
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:37,680
with the hope that she would either

1077
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:39,040
accept or invite

1078
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:41,200
and then he would turn it around and

1079
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:42,160
accuse her

1080
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:45,440
okay yeah i don't want to i don't want

1081
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:46,800
to go any further but again those are

1082
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:48,079
the tactics

1083
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:51,520
that i've witnessed uh

1084
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:54,400
bill brazzo jr receiving a phone call on

1085
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:55,760
christmas eve

1086
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:58,480
in the presence of his gathered family

1087
00:42:02,069 --> 00:42:00,319
you know celebrating christmas

1088
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,079
and one of the skeptics calling up at

1089
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,839
eight o'clock that evening

1090
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:06,000
calling him a liar and challenging to

1091
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,040
come you know

1092
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:09,280
and do some debate with him someplace

1093
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:11,119
and you're a liar if you don't

1094
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,800
accept this challenge you know you're a

1095
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:14,160
liar and

1096
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:17,680
well okay yeah because

1097
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:20,000
yeah it's people pretty passionate about

1098
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,160
this one way or the other

1099
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:24,240
it's the the tactics that they often

1100
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:25,520
have relied on

1101
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:28,880
and if you if you or i would ever resort

1102
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:32,480
to such um you know

1103
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:35,440
and effort tactics yeah tactics as far

1104
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:37,119
as to discredit the witness i guess it

1105
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:38,560
says more about us

1106
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:40,000
well i wanted to go down some of the

1107
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:41,359
things that i talked about with our

1108
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:42,880
other guests and experts

1109
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:46,079
here specifically i wanted to ask you

1110
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:47,359
about the debris

1111
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:49,280
and the debris switch and the famous

1112
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,480
photos

1113
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:52,480
because i believe from your books and

1114
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:54,880
kevin randall's books

1115
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:58,000
and uh stan friedman that there's a

1116
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:59,760
claim that that this debris in the

1117
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:00,800
famous photos

1118
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,760
is not what the actual wreckage was that

1119
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:05,440
there was a cover-up they brought in

1120
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:06,240
this

1121
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:08,800
uh weather balloon debris to show the

1122
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,440
press

1123
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:11,760
and we have both marcel and later uh

1124
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:12,880
dubose right

1125
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:15,200
who claimed that there was actually a

1126
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,359
debris switch and that wasn't the actual

1127
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:19,200
roswell debris that was shown in these

1128
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:20,800
famous photos

1129
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:23,839
and again we've had this ping-pong thing

1130
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:25,520
going back and forth with our different

1131
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,079
experts

1132
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:27,839
what's your take on the debris that's

1133
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:30,079
shown in these famous photos and it

1134
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:32,319
claims of a debris switch by both marcel

1135
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:33,839
and dubose

1136
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:36,960
well again we were the ones remy

1137
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:39,760
had long passed away there you're you're

1138
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:40,240
you're

1139
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:43,599
general roger raymond who was head of

1140
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:44,880
the eighth air force

1141
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:47,440
he was the very boss of the base

1142
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,960
commander at roswell at that time

1143
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:50,640
colonel william blanchard

1144
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:55,359
so you're going up a chain of command

1145
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:57,760
the skeptics paint this and some of my

1146
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:59,359
colleagues even described that this was

1147
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:00,560
a press conference

1148
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:04,160
was only one reporter that was even

1149
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:06,319
allowed in the room

1150
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:07,839
the rest were kept out in the hallway

1151
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:10,160
outside of raymie's office

1152
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:12,960
and the only reporter allowed in was

1153
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,599
james

1154
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:15,440
b johnson of the fort worth star

1155
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:16,880
telegram

1156
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:20,319
he took the four pictures two of raymie

1157
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:23,520
and then two more of raymie and his

1158
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:24,400
chief of staff

1159
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,200
colonel thomas the bolas now dubose

1160
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:31,599
and he's pictured to uh rainey's right

1161
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:32,720
there

1162
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:37,680
sure the bose who we interviewed

1163
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:40,480
and went down to orlando florida and met

1164
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:41,040
with him

1165
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:44,079
on a number of occasions spoke to him

1166
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,920
numerous times over the phone i have

1167
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:47,359
correspondence with him

1168
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:50,880
i have a letter from him saying

1169
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:54,160
i never saw the real material because we

1170
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,280
switched it he stated in his own

1171
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:59,520
affidavit now mind you he's a one-star

1172
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,119
general at this time he's a brigadier

1173
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:03,680
general so we have a brigadier general

1174
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:04,079
who

1175
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,160
says and in sworn affidavit the balloon

1176
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:11,040
was a hoax we were the ones who switched

1177
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,560
it

1178
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:14,640
shouldn't that be enough shouldn't that

1179
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:16,960
be the end of the story right there

1180
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,800
because there are no witnesses who claim

1181
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:20,319
that that was the genuine article who

1182
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:23,440
were still alive at that time

1183
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:27,200
and so irving newton who was the weather

1184
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,160
officer

1185
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,720
he's he was uh in the last picture taken

1186
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:32,240
and that was by the public information

1187
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:35,359
officer charles a cashion who took that

1188
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:36,720
particular picture

1189
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:39,440
he was just ordered over by raymie to

1190
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,079
come identify the weather balloon

1191
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:44,560
is this a weather balloon well of course

1192
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:45,680
it was

1193
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:48,640
it's a weather device so newton made a

1194
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:51,200
positive identification of that wreckage

1195
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,480
and it was flimsy foil you see the the

1196
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,319
black clump at the

1197
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:59,280
raymie's foot that was rotting neoprene

1198
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:01,200
rubber in fact

1199
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,720
you know i've always had this huge

1200
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:04,400
problem with the fact that army

1201
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,119
intelligence

1202
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,839
officers would see this out in the

1203
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:08,960
middle of a field

1204
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,359
and not know what it was of course a

1205
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:13,440
five-year-old any sense to me that

1206
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:16,480
that seasoned army air force people

1207
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:17,599
would not know

1208
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,640
what that was that they would mistake it

1209
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:22,800
you know in the famous quote marcel said

1210
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:25,680
what i saw was not made on this earth

1211
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:28,160
that's a fart yeah that's a far cry from

1212
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:29,520
something that's so

1213
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:31,119
common they had to have seen weather

1214
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:33,040
balloons before maybe even debris from

1215
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:34,319
weather balloons that crash

1216
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,359
exactly and and uh where did the weather

1217
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:39,359
balloon come from

1218
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:41,040
where did this particular device

1219
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:47,349
it came from roswell you know why

1220
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:49,359
because they were assembling and

1221
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,880
launching them

1222
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:53,520
twice a day in conjunction with bomb

1223
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:54,000
drop

1224
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:57,920
exercises outside the city limits

1225
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,599
they would launch them from atop the

1226
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:01,599
bank building which was six stories

1227
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:04,319
tall at that time highest building in

1228
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,560
roswell

1229
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:08,400
so they were totally familiar with these

1230
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:10,160
devices in fact there's a picture

1231
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:13,280
in the base yearbook

1232
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:16,560
of the balloons hanging from

1233
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,480
rafters in one of the hangars

1234
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,160
yeah i've seen those pictures there was

1235
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:24,480
no one more familiar with this balloon

1236
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:27,280
device than the personnel at roswell

1237
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:28,480
that's where they were being launched

1238
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:30,480
from majorly right

1239
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:33,599
and you see the brown paper wrapping on

1240
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,400
the floor beneath the balloon

1241
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:39,119
sergeant robert porter who was with the

1242
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:42,400
715 bomb squadron

1243
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:45,440
when that marcel flight went out on that

1244
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:48,880
b-29 called dave's dream

1245
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:51,680
it went out at 3 o'clock that afternoon

1246
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:52,400
three o'clock

1247
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:55,440
mountain standard time

1248
00:48:03,109 --> 00:47:58,640
porter they loaded up

1249
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:03,119
three shoe box size brown paper wrapped

1250
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:06,480
packages in fact in

1251
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:09,520
a couple of the shots you see one of the

1252
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,359
shoebox sized

1253
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,680
brown paper wrap packages still by the

1254
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:15,280
heat register

1255
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:16,880
yeah i'm sorry i don't have i i just

1256
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:18,800
grabbed the most famous couple but

1257
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:20,079
you're right i've seen in

1258
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,839
in the wider shots these are cropped

1259
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:23,920
images so no wider shots yeah

1260
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:26,880
and when we asked porter what was the

1261
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:28,480
shape and size

1262
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:32,800
of the final package loaded up

1263
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:35,920
he said it was about two and a half to

1264
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:38,960
three foot diameter triangular in

1265
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,559
shape brown paper wrapped

1266
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:44,880
and loaded into the bombay and that's

1267
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:48,720
the very angle you have from the kite

1268
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:51,920
and there is the brown paper that had

1269
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:52,640
once

1270
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:55,839
wrapped this balloon

1271
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:59,440
it came from roswell it was nothing more

1272
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:00,720
than an off-the-shelf

1273
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:03,200
weather balloon device that a

1274
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,559
five-year-old child would have

1275
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,000
recognized

1276
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:08,880
and general rainey if we want to go

1277
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:09,760
again

1278
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:13,440
by a documentation by 1 30 that

1279
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:14,960
afternoon

1280
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:18,240
two and a half hours before marcel

1281
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,680
even arrives in fort worth

1282
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:24,000
raymie is fielding phone calls from the

1283
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:25,280
press

1284
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:27,599
and he's describing the weather balloon

1285
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:28,319
already

1286
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:31,359
in his office

1287
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:34,079
that's convenient it didn't arrive yet

1288
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:35,599
but it was already there

1289
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:38,720
a matter of documented fact you skeptics

1290
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:39,520
go it's in

1291
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:42,079
all the newspapers at that time general

1292
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:44,240
raymie is claiming that balloon device

1293
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:46,079
is already in his office

1294
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:49,680
hours before it supposedly arrives from

1295
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,760
roswell

1296
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,440
well i've never heard that before that's

1297
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:55,200
that's new to me and i wanted to ask you

1298
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,160
of course

1299
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,480
about your thoughts on a rainy memo and

1300
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:00,559
some people's attempt to

1301
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:02,800
decipher what was actually written and

1302
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:04,000
again this is

1303
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,040
this is this is there was something in

1304
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:10,000
in mr in his hand here and it's been

1305
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:11,200
called the rainy memo

1306
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,640
this is a bad picture but there's

1307
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:14,400
another picture where you can almost see

1308
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:15,920
what's written on the image and people

1309
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:18,400
have blown it up trying to get scans and

1310
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:20,240
the negatives image for a second here i

1311
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:21,920
want to just touch sure

1312
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:25,920
yeah it's tantalizing because even in

1313
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:27,760
this it seems like you can almost read

1314
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:28,720
it right

1315
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:32,000
that's general raymie's thumb

1316
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:39,190
okay it's got a jagged rip

1317
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:46,309
you see how his thumbnail was torn yeah

1318
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:47,760
what's the significance of that

1319
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:49,760
significance of that what's significant

1320
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:52,160
is that he also has his tie on he still

1321
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:53,520
has his cap on

1322
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:56,800
in his own office this

1323
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,160
came together so quickly that even

1324
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:02,240
opening up that balloon and ripping at

1325
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:03,520
the shreds

1326
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:06,160
again this is speculation on our part

1327
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:07,200
but i suggest

1328
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,640
oh yeah he could have screwed up his

1329
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:10,640
nails ripping stuff up right he didn't

1330
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:11,359
even have

1331
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,790
that's another thing i've never heard

1332
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:18,640
before it also

1333
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:22,880
again if i would have forensic experts

1334
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:24,000
look at this you know

1335
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:25,119
those are the things that they would

1336
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,960
look at they would look at if you look

1337
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:28,000
at the

1338
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:32,000
out the window

1339
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:34,079
you can see that the pictures are taken

1340
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:35,200
at different

1341
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:38,559
times a day based on the shadow

1342
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:42,000
coming through the window

1343
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:44,160
that's why we know that's why we know

1344
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:45,200
that marcel

1345
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,720
was photographed first and he was not

1346
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,880
photographed by a reporter he was

1347
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:52,559
photographed by

1348
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:54,400
again the public information officer

1349
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:55,920
charles cashion

1350
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:58,480
and then he was ordered by raymie not to

1351
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:00,800
say a word to any of the press

1352
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:04,240
on the hallway he was just

1353
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:07,920
report back to as far as his

1354
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,920
headquarters overnight they kept him

1355
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:10,960
overnight

1356
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:12,880
and he doesn't return back to roswell

1357
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:15,440
until the next evening

1358
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,400
they keep him as far as under

1359
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:20,480
essentially cloak and dagger for

1360
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:24,400
the next two days yeah the story died

1361
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:25,920
pretty quickly once they threw up the

1362
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:28,079
weather balloon explanation right

1363
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:30,400
as planned yeah and what do you think of

1364
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:31,280
the validity

1365
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,440
of some people's deciphering of what's

1366
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:35,440
on this memo do you think that's really

1367
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:37,119
valid or do you think that it's a case

1368
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:39,760
of people seeing what they want to see

1369
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:43,119
in some cases i um

1370
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:45,839
i know david very well and i have the

1371
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:47,200
highest regard

1372
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:49,040
for his research i'm talking about dr

1373
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:50,800
david rudiak

1374
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:55,040
and mainly for the fact that nobody has

1375
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:56,079
spent more time

1376
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,400
working on the raimi memo than rudyard

1377
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:02,400
i mean we're not just talking about an

1378
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:03,680
afternoon

1379
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:06,240
of analysis we're not just talking about

1380
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:06,880
doing

1381
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:10,400
a certain uh magnification and

1382
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,760
some nude uh uh magnifi as far as

1383
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:15,280
electronic

1384
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:18,559
enhancement of the image and uh let me

1385
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:20,559
tell you what i believe it says

1386
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:22,319
after looking at it for all of a couple

1387
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:25,359
hours rudiak has spent years

1388
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:29,520
and for that reason i place

1389
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:33,440
my not my hope as much as my

1390
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:36,880
greatest faith in his analysis

1391
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:40,000
and his discernment of what it says

1392
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:43,440
but today because we still have this

1393
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:46,880
dispute this argument

1394
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:49,359
and whenever i hear someone say well we

1395
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:50,800
have done all we can

1396
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:53,440
with the original negative well there's

1397
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:54,400
one

1398
00:54:01,750 --> 00:53:58,400
analysis that we get to do and

1399
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,760
you learn this for

1400
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:04,000
those of us who've relied on flight

1401
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,079
control

1402
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:08,960
that handle respective air space between

1403
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:09,680
commercial

1404
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:14,480
airports in the midwest for example here

1405
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,880
where i resign wisconsin our flight

1406
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:18,559
control center

1407
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:21,680
is in aurora illinois

1408
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,119
which handles seven states

1409
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:27,680
throughout the midwest and it's not

1410
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,160
human

1411
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:30,480
interpretation of a radar signal it's

1412
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:31,760
computer

1413
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:34,400
interpretation it separates weather

1414
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:36,079
anomaly to actually

1415
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:39,040
transponder aircraft and then private

1416
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:39,920
aircraft

1417
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,880
as and either a solid green blipper as a

1418
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:43,920
plus or a c

1419
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:47,119
or as a minus or or a red green or red

1420
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:47,920
that type of thing

1421
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:50,240
but nonetheless it's 90 screens radar

1422
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:50,960
screens

1423
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:54,480
all computer analyzed all computer

1424
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:55,839
interpreted

1425
00:55:02,870 --> 00:54:58,799
what i have been recommending for years

1426
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:02,880
is that we need to create a program

1427
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,000
that will read the document

1428
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:08,880
there are only 26 possibilities as far

1429
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:10,880
as letters go

1430
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:14,240
and then if we apply

1431
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:16,799
the question as to what type of military

1432
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:17,680
jargon

1433
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:19,920
would have been used in a telex at that

1434
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:20,880
time

1435
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:24,559
and that they have to be as far as um

1436
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:27,920
grammatically uh correct uh sentences

1437
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:30,000
that type of thing

1438
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:34,799
let's let a computer analyze the memo

1439
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:38,240
and accept it as the final word no more

1440
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:41,119
human interpretation

1441
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:44,720
in other words let's let artificial

1442
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,640
let's let i ai see what it can do with

1443
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:50,079
the document as best

1444
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:53,760
as possible as best as it can and then

1445
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:01,030
this will be the final say it's as far

1446
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:02,960
as we can go

1447
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,799
yeah i agree that thing has always been

1448
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:06,559
tantalizing to me because i've always

1449
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:07,760
thought like you know

1450
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:09,440
i heard mr randall say if that

1451
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:11,119
photographer was standing three feet

1452
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:11,839
closer

1453
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,720
we'd know exactly what that memo said

1454
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:17,040
but i think that image analysis software

1455
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:18,640
and you're right ai

1456
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:20,400
brought to bear against a problem like

1457
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,160
that may be the best solution because

1458
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:24,000
then we take the human equation out of

1459
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,319
it

1460
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:26,640
and we're not you know right machines

1461
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:28,559
not going to be biased it's going to

1462
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:30,559
pick it apart and just like what it says

1463
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:32,000
or doesn't say

1464
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:35,200
and that's it and it's it's not faces in

1465
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,160
the clouds

1466
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:38,799
because letter-wise there are only 26

1467
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:40,160
possibilities

1468
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:42,319
and then they have to make they have to

1469
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:44,240
become as far as uh

1470
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:47,599
complete words and then they have to be

1471
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:50,319
as far as make complete sentences it has

1472
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:52,960
to all make sense

1473
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:55,280
yeah so yeah it narrows the scope it

1474
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:58,480
narrows the scope to the point that uh

1475
00:57:01,750 --> 00:57:01,119
i i still believe that there's this

1476
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,760
final

1477
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:03,440
effort that needs to be done and i

1478
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:05,119
pretty much got the idea from studio

1479
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:06,480
macbeth

1480
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:09,760
with uh ray downing

1481
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:12,559
in new york when they were doing the 3d

1482
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:15,760
uh imagery of the shroud of turin

1483
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:17,680
and they were right and they were

1484
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,079
running into the exact same problem

1485
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:22,559
that we run into the raimi memo that as

1486
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:23,520
we enhance

1487
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:27,839
the image you also enhance the noise

1488
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:31,280
in the shrouds case they were enhancing

1489
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:32,799
they were exaggerating

1490
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:36,079
the fabric the weave of the fabric

1491
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,480
and in the photograph we're enhancing

1492
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:40,480
the grain

1493
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:43,920
so they developed a computer program

1494
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:47,839
that would shave layer by layer away

1495
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:50,160
that fabric i remember yeah it was a

1496
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:51,920
special algorithm that they designed

1497
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:54,000
just to clean out the noise

1498
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:56,319
right separate the noise from from what

1499
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:58,160
they do

1500
00:58:02,390 --> 00:57:59,359
right and we get to do that with the

1501
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:02,400
remy memo we need to do that

1502
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:03,599
yeah that's interesting because i have a

1503
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:05,119
background in computer science but even

1504
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:06,559
i wouldn't know where to begin with that

1505
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:09,359
but i have some friends that might

1506
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:11,599
so yeah i can ask around and see what

1507
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:13,359
people think i happen to have

1508
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:17,200
a dvd or cd-rom somewhere of that

1509
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,359
high quality scan of this thing and i've

1510
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:21,440
never done anything with it

1511
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:23,440
next i wanted to talk to you a bit about

1512
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:24,480
what i believe is

1513
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:27,520
probably my favorite book you've written

1514
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,400
because to me it's just so convincing

1515
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:32,160
and that is this children of roswell

1516
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:33,760
book

1517
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:36,559
again some of the skeptics and even mr

1518
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:38,000
korff have been here and been very

1519
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:40,000
dismissive of the witnesses

1520
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:42,240
saying well they lied they exaggerated

1521
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:43,119
uh

1522
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:44,880
even you know going so far as to say

1523
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:47,440
well uh you know uh

1524
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:50,400
some people may exaggerate you know

1525
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,839
marcel was

1526
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,599
his son said well sometimes he

1527
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:55,599
exaggerated i i don't know

1528
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:57,760
but i thought that most skeptics are

1529
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:59,040
just so dismissive

1530
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:02,160
of the uh of the witness testimony

1531
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:04,160
or they completely discount second-hand

1532
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:05,680
testimony and i think they should all

1533
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:07,200
read this book children of roswell

1534
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,799
because to me

1535
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:10,799
that's what made me a believer again

1536
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:12,640
going why you know

1537
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:15,200
especially my father was in the military

1538
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:16,799
he didn't have a tendency to just make

1539
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:18,079
up bs stories

1540
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:22,240
especially near his death you know so

1541
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:23,680
one of the things so convincing to me in

1542
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:25,440
the book is that some of these

1543
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:27,920
people were threatened intimidated

1544
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:30,000
harassed or whatever and they kept

1545
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:32,160
quiet about some of these events and

1546
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:33,280
then later in life

1547
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:35,599
they talked more openly about it can you

1548
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:37,359
talk a little bit about some of the

1549
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:40,400
children of roswell first of course

1550
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:43,280
just imagine uh either one of us being

1551
00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:43,920
in this

1552
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:47,359
situation where our father

1553
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:50,880
is lying on a gurney as they are making

1554
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:53,839
final preparations to take him in

1555
01:00:02,630 --> 00:59:59,119
to the or for open-heart surgery

1556
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:02,640
and he's very frail and there's a very

1557
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:02,960
good

1558
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:06,799
chance that he's not going to survive

1559
01:00:14,309 --> 01:00:10,000
and he waves us over before they

1560
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:14,319
put him to sleep and he says

1561
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:16,319
i need to tell you something that

1562
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:17,520
happened while i was still

1563
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:20,720
in the service and it relates to when i

1564
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:24,400
was stationed at roswell in 1947

1565
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:26,799
and then they go on to describe that i

1566
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:28,000
was part of the recovery

1567
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:31,359
team i not only saw

1568
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:35,119
the remains of this ship

1569
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:38,799
that was not a plane it was not a rocket

1570
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:41,440
it didn't have wings or a tail section

1571
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:44,000
and the material defied anything i've

1572
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:45,200
ever seen

1573
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:49,119
since and then see the bodies that we

1574
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:50,799
first thought were children

1575
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:53,839
and as we got closer my god

1576
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:57,359
they're not from here and then

1577
01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:59,440
there was a survivor one was still

1578
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:01,520
living

1579
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:04,960
now that happened between

1580
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:08,240
sergeant homer roulette who was with the

1581
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:09,119
6th

1582
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:13,040
83rd squadron

1583
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:21,030
now what are we going to say it was a

1584
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:22,079
deathbed

1585
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:26,079
statement as it turned out well

1586
01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:28,880
sweetheart dear come over let me tell

1587
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:30,079
you one last big

1588
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:32,960
whopper yet before i die yeah that's why

1589
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:33,920
i don't find this

1590
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:36,079
dismissive attitude of skeptics towards

1591
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:38,079
these people to be

1592
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,040
plausible or probable because again if

1593
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:43,440
we throw out roswell death beds

1594
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:46,480
we have to throw out all of them and and

1595
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:48,799
also you only gave one example from your

1596
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:49,200
book

1597
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:54,400
second-hand accounts from children of

1598
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:56,000
people that were directly involved with

1599
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:57,280
the roswell event

1600
01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:59,440
and in your book you didn't just accept

1601
01:02:01,670 --> 01:02:00,799
their word you went and checked that

1602
01:02:03,430 --> 01:02:01,680
their father

1603
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:03,440
or the person that told them this

1604
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:04,799
actually was there

1605
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:06,960
stationed there you checked the military

1606
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:09,359
record exactly and was witnessed by

1607
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:12,160
others who were also involved and yes

1608
01:02:17,349 --> 01:02:14,400
roulette was there in the field

1609
01:02:17,829 --> 01:02:17,359
with us he was there he was involved and

1610
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:17,839
then

1611
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:20,960
roulette had actually told his son

1612
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:23,359
the identical story before he went into

1613
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:24,720
the hospital

1614
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:27,440
so he made sure that his son also knew

1615
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:30,559
unbeknownst to his sister

1616
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:33,920
edwin easley was the provost marshall

1617
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:34,799
when

1618
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:36,960
kevin and i tracked him down kevin spoke

1619
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:38,559
to him the first time

1620
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:41,359
over the phone again mind you this is in

1621
01:02:46,150 --> 01:02:43,039
1990

1622
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:46,160
he's a he's a retired lieutenant colonel

1623
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:49,680
living in the dallas area and over and

1624
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:51,200
over again he kept telling kevin no

1625
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:52,720
matter what he asked them about

1626
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:56,160
1947. i can't talk about that i'm still

1627
01:03:00,789 --> 01:02:58,400
sworn to secrecy

1628
01:03:02,309 --> 01:03:00,799
we're on at the crash site don't i can't

1629
01:03:05,349 --> 01:03:02,319
talk about that i'm still

1630
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:05,359
sworn to secrecy okay yeah colonel

1631
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:07,119
you're sworn to secrecy over a weather

1632
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:08,160
balloon after

1633
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:15,430
so he agreed to uh receive a copy of our

1634
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:16,000
first book

1635
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:18,640
ufo crash at roswell and kevin and i

1636
01:03:21,750 --> 01:03:19,760
would wait

1637
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:21,760
some months thereafter and we were at

1638
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:23,359
the office in chicago

1639
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:26,400
at kufos at the center for ufo studies

1640
01:03:31,029 --> 01:03:29,280
and we agreed why don't we call up

1641
01:03:33,910 --> 01:03:31,039
colonel easley

1642
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:33,920
and see if he's read the book see if he

1643
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:34,400
hasn't

1644
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:37,680
had a change of heart and

1645
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:40,720
kevin's speaking to him once again

1646
01:03:47,349 --> 01:03:45,440
and he again same response

1647
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:47,359
can't answer that i'm still sworn to

1648
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:49,599
secrecy

1649
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:53,039
kevin we had a plan kevin asked

1650
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:55,200
colonel easley well you see which

1651
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:57,440
direction the witnesses are taking us

1652
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:00,480
you see which direction the

1653
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:03,039
investigation is going

1654
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:04,559
can you tell us if we're going in the

1655
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:06,960
right direction

1656
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:09,599
and there's a bit of a pause and colonel

1657
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:11,280
easily comes back

1658
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:13,839
well let's just say you're not going in

1659
01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:16,880
the wrong direction

1660
01:04:20,710 --> 01:04:18,640
yeah i found that very compelling when

1661
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:20,720
mr carrie talked about it as well

1662
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:23,760
yeah i mean he didn't admit you know

1663
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:27,119
anything but he still told us you know

1664
01:04:30,309 --> 01:04:28,880
without giving away any without breaking

1665
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:30,319
his oath

1666
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:32,640
he still told us all that he could

1667
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:33,680
without being

1668
01:04:38,789 --> 01:04:36,960
direct about uh his involvement

1669
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:38,799
so i once had a government employee tell

1670
01:04:41,589 --> 01:04:40,000
me i can't tell you that

1671
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,599
but i can tell you where to look for it

1672
01:04:46,710 --> 01:04:43,680
and he was right he was right

1673
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:46,720
he couldn't violate his his ndas and his

1674
01:04:51,029 --> 01:04:49,280
his uh secrecy agreements but he could

1675
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:51,039
tell me where to look for it and i found

1676
01:04:53,589 --> 01:04:52,319
where i was looking forward to it

1677
01:04:56,150 --> 01:04:53,599
that's how they do it that's how they

1678
01:04:59,430 --> 01:04:56,160
have their plausible deniability

1679
01:05:01,990 --> 01:04:59,440
so so two years later

1680
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:02,000
easley is dying of stomach cancer at

1681
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:04,240
parkland hospital in dallas

1682
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:07,200
same hospital that john f kennedy was uh

1683
01:05:17,349 --> 01:05:14,390
and in the presence of his two daughters

1684
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:17,359
one of them being nancy strickland who

1685
01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:18,079
is a

1686
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:21,520
practicing attorney his granddaughter

1687
01:05:26,069 --> 01:05:24,000
brings him a gift

1688
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:26,079
walks up to his hospital bed and holds

1689
01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:27,839
it up to his face

1690
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:31,039
and he turns away and goes oh

1691
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:35,359
the creatures and then explains

1692
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:38,720
that the president had asked them

1693
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:42,000
whether through uh you know a direct

1694
01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:44,960
request or you know some representative

1695
01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:46,160
but nonetheless

1696
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:47,920
the president asked us never to talk

1697
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:49,520
about this again

1698
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:52,480
i kept my word i i can't tell you how i

1699
01:05:56,069 --> 01:05:53,839
regret that i was never

1700
01:05:58,150 --> 01:05:56,079
able to tell you what happened back in

1701
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:58,160
roswell 1947

1702
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:01,280
but it was all true it did happen the

1703
01:06:06,069 --> 01:06:03,440
granddaughter had held up a copy of our

1704
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:06,079
book beautiful crash at roswell

1705
01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:08,000
so there's another deathbed confirmation

1706
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:09,359
that the alien hypothesis

1707
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:12,480
just may be correct the creatures and

1708
01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:14,480
that from the very provost marshal who

1709
01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:17,119
was in charge of all military security

1710
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:20,960
on the base at that time you have

1711
01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:24,000
the uh the base adjective

1712
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:25,760
another retired lieutenant colonel

1713
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:28,000
patrick saunders

1714
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:30,000
who when i spoke to him the first time

1715
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:31,440
he just laughed oh

1716
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:34,160
the little green men from mars you know

1717
01:06:38,549 --> 01:06:36,720
no truth to it at all

1718
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:38,559
and then before he dies he had fallen

1719
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:40,640
off of a roof

1720
01:06:47,829 --> 01:06:43,920
and uh that was in 1995

1721
01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:47,839
and he knew he only had so much time to

1722
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:49,280
live

1723
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:53,200
and he had purchased as many paperback

1724
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:53,920
copies

1725
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:56,319
of our second book truth about beautiful

1726
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:59,039
crash of roswell that he could

1727
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:01,119
and he gave them out to his best friends

1728
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:03,280
and to his family

1729
01:07:07,829 --> 01:07:04,960
and i don't know if i have the quote

1730
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:07,839
exact but it was basically

1731
01:07:16,230 --> 01:07:11,680
on the inner leaf let of the book

1732
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:16,240
he wrote here's the truth

1733
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:19,280
i never told anybody anybody before

1734
01:07:26,789 --> 01:07:22,960
i kept my word pat

1735
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:26,799
wow that's interesting i i i can

1736
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:30,000
if i'm a detective

1737
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:34,160
an intelligence investigator if i'm any

1738
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:36,480
legitimate investigator who was just

1739
01:07:41,829 --> 01:07:37,680
allowing

1740
01:07:42,549 --> 01:07:41,839
the evidence take me to whatever the

1741
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:42,559
final

1742
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:45,520
resolution is how could i just dismiss

1743
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:47,440
that and say well he was just lying

1744
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:50,079
he was just again pulling all their legs

1745
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:50,880
one last

1746
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:54,640
joke while he was still you know here

1747
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:57,359
easily all the creatures oh he was just

1748
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:58,160
having a

1749
01:08:02,950 --> 01:08:00,480
a quick laugh at the expense of his two

1750
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:02,960
daughters and his granddaughter

1751
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,640
yeah it doesn't make sense to me and the

1752
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:06,480
volume of the witnesses in the sec

1753
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:07,440
even though they're second-hand

1754
01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:10,079
witnesses i still found that book to be

1755
01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:12,319
really compelling it was one of those

1756
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:13,599
that i could have put it down until i

1757
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:14,880
finished the whole book and then i was

1758
01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:16,480
sad that it was over when i was done

1759
01:08:20,789 --> 01:08:17,440
reading it

1760
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:20,799
so uh like frankie

1761
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:24,080
uh roll frankie dwyer who

1762
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:27,440
was the daughter to uh the fire crew

1763
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:28,239
chief

1764
01:08:36,390 --> 01:08:32,880
dan dwyer uh stationed at roswell

1765
01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:36,400
and her having actually held in her

1766
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:37,679
hands

1767
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,040
a piece of memory material

1768
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:43,920
and the fact that we can document the

1769
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:46,080
fact that she had her tonsils

1770
01:08:50,829 --> 01:08:49,359
taken out days before she had a dental

1771
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:50,839
appointment that very

1772
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:54,480
afternoon she stopped at the firehouse

1773
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:57,839
to visit with her dad her dad wasn't

1774
01:09:01,829 --> 01:08:58,719
there because

1775
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:01,839
he and another fireman by the name of ed

1776
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:02,960
reeves

1777
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:06,719
were north of town at the crash site

1778
01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:08,480
they drove out one of their own personal

1779
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:10,159
vehicles to go check out

1780
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:13,199
all this talk about this crash you know

1781
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:16,319
that took place just north of town

1782
01:09:20,709 --> 01:09:19,040
and frankie's at the firehouse and who

1783
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:20,719
should walk in but a state police

1784
01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:24,000
officer by the name of robert scroggins

1785
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:25,839
whose district happened to be lincoln

1786
01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:27,120
county

1787
01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:35,030
back brazil the ranch foreman who first

1788
01:09:38,149 --> 01:09:35,759
reported

1789
01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:38,159
the crash when he went to the sheriff's

1790
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:39,040
office

1791
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:41,440
sheriff george wilcox who then in turn

1792
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:42,400
reported it to

1793
01:09:47,910 --> 01:09:46,159
the roswell army airfield now

1794
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:47,920
this is something else i would challenge

1795
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:54,790
it's a fourth of july weekend

1796
01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:57,120
most of the men are either at home with

1797
01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:58,080
their families

1798
01:10:02,070 --> 01:10:01,280
they're they're away on leave it's again

1799
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:02,080
it's a holiday

1800
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:06,560
weekend the rancher comes into town on

1801
01:10:13,590 --> 01:10:07,679
sunday july

1802
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:16,550
it's important enough that when the

1803
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:17,360
intelligence

1804
01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:21,520
jesse marcel

1805
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:23,840
and because he's with the 509th bomb

1806
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:26,080
group

1807
01:10:29,669 --> 01:10:28,560
it's the first atomic bomb squadron in

1808
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:29,679
the world

1809
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:31,840
the elite within the military at that

1810
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:33,280
time

1811
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:36,320
the best officers the best pilots the

1812
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:37,440
best crewmen

1813
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:40,560
the best doctors the best nurses

1814
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:44,400
it was a composite unit they selected

1815
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:47,280
the best from whatever particular branch

1816
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:49,280
you happen to be in at that time

1817
01:10:52,709 --> 01:10:50,400
and they were going to be part of the

1818
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:52,719
first atomic bomb squadron

1819
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:55,199
if you swept the broom on that base back

1820
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:57,440
in 1947 was because you were the best

1821
01:11:00,790 --> 01:10:59,040
broom sweeper yeah i was gonna say they

1822
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:00,800
probably had the best janitors too

1823
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:02,960
yeah because you all had top security

1824
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:05,040
clearances everyone on that base had a

1825
01:11:11,669 --> 01:11:07,760
top security clearance

1826
01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:11,679
so this rancher brings in this wreckage

1827
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:14,320
the sheriff calls up and says you know i

1828
01:11:17,910 --> 01:11:15,280
have all this

1829
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:17,920
strange material down here you know this

1830
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:19,679
rancher brought in from some debris

1831
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:20,080
field

1832
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:22,400
some crash site up in lincoln county

1833
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:24,640
it's not our jurisdiction

1834
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:26,960
but you know what do you guys know about

1835
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:28,480
this you need to know that something

1836
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:30,960
crashed out there

1837
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:34,640
well it's important enough

1838
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:39,199
for what we will remain convinced

1839
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:42,640
is the actual reason because

1840
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:44,560
it wasn't a weather balloon or an

1841
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:48,640
aircraft or anything else recognizable

1842
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:50,159
the fact that they alert the base

1843
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:52,159
commander who's at

1844
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:55,360
his home it's important enough that they

1845
01:12:01,830 --> 01:11:58,800
disturb him on a holiday weekend

1846
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:01,840
to show him this wreckage

1847
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:05,040
and it's important enough for him that

1848
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:07,360
he doesn't just send a couple of

1849
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:10,560
low ranked grunts a couple of enlisted

1850
01:12:13,590 --> 01:12:11,040
men

1851
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:13,600
just go check it out see what you find

1852
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:14,239
no

1853
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:17,440
he sends out his head of intelligence

1854
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:19,920
and he sends out his head of counter

1855
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:21,520
intelligence

1856
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:24,320
in the event of something foreign

1857
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:25,040
because

1858
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:28,320
nobody can identify this wreckage

1859
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:31,360
i defy any skeptic

1860
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:33,679
to demonstrate why they would have sent

1861
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:36,239
out the counterintelligence lead

1862
01:12:40,070 --> 01:12:39,440
officer for no other reason for the fact

1863
01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:40,080
that

1864
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,480
was a foreign design and they needed

1865
01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:46,560
someone who would recognize that

1866
01:12:51,510 --> 01:12:49,280
would be able to identify that nor other

1867
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:51,520
reason to send him out there

1868
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:54,000
but yet he was yeah he may be familiar

1869
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:55,920
with russian or german or

1870
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:59,040
foreign aircraft right and of course

1871
01:13:02,229 --> 01:13:00,880
a regular intelligence officer exactly

1872
01:13:04,229 --> 01:13:02,239
and the head of counterintelligence

1873
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,239
captain sheridan cabot he

1874
01:13:08,790 --> 01:13:06,560
even admitted to the air force colonel

1875
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:08,800
richard weaver that he was sent out

1876
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:10,000
there

1877
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:18,159
bill uh sorry master sergeant louis

1878
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:19,440
ricketts who was

1879
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:22,800
cabot subordinate said that cabot was

1880
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:26,000
out there the point being you sent

1881
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:28,400
out some of your highest ranking

1882
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:30,560
officers because again

1883
01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:33,600
you're demonstrating how important this

1884
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:36,400
potentially was in their eyes at that

1885
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:37,840
time

1886
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:40,080
and it wasn't just driving out of town a

1887
01:13:44,950 --> 01:13:42,719
few miles and checking it out

1888
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:44,960
it was at that time a four hour drive

1889
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:46,000
one way

1890
01:13:49,030 --> 01:13:48,000
and by the time they got out there it

1891
01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:49,040
was dusk

1892
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:50,560
they couldn't even they had to spend the

1893
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:52,800
night in that old heinz house and that

1894
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:54,000
one room shack

1895
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:57,280
and it was until the next morning

1896
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:58,560
and then they spend the better part of

1897
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:01,199
the day filling up the two vehicles

1898
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:03,760
and it's important enough that marcel on

1899
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:04,320
his way

1900
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:07,679
back to the base his home outside of

1901
01:14:11,669 --> 01:14:10,880
within the roswell city proper limits at

1902
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:11,679
that time

1903
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:14,880
is 10 miles away from the base

1904
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:19,520
he wakes up his wife rihanna

1905
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:22,960
and his son jesse jr

1906
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:25,280
at two o'clock in the morning takes them

1907
01:14:27,990 --> 01:14:26,159
to the kitchen

1908
01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:28,000
and he's got all this wreckage scattered

1909
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:29,440
on the floor

1910
01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:31,840
because he wanted to show them what he

1911
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:33,199
knew and i doubt he would have showed

1912
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:34,560
them a weather balloon or

1913
01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:36,719
even bothered to stop if it wasn't a

1914
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:38,080
weather balloon that's another

1915
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:39,520
point of the story that's always

1916
01:14:44,149 --> 01:14:41,199
bothered now let's even quickly

1917
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:44,159
go back to even the ranch itself when

1918
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:45,920
kevin and i were out there the first

1919
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:46,880
time

1920
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:50,640
and we went to the actual uh ranch

1921
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:54,320
uh headquarters the main ranch house

1922
01:15:00,870 --> 01:14:58,239
and there was a water tank

1923
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:00,880
just full of water but you could look

1924
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:03,040
over the side

1925
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:06,880
and there were just big chunks of rubber

1926
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:11,520
and foil and other debris floating

1927
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:15,040
throughout this water tank

1928
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:17,440
the tape probably was about 15 feet in

1929
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:19,120
diameter as i recall

1930
01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:21,840
it's no longer there and when we asked

1931
01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:23,440
the ranch foreman his name was jeff

1932
01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:26,000
wells at that time

1933
01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:29,600
you know what is all this and he goes oh

1934
01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:31,120
it's all the balloons that have been

1935
01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:33,040
recovered here

1936
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:40,390
that's interesting because they weren't

1937
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:41,679
burning they weren't

1938
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:45,120
because it was rubber oil the foil

1939
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:46,000
didn't burn

1940
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:47,840
and that type of thing so they just

1941
01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:49,920
tossed them in so the point is they knew

1942
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:51,840
they were weather balloons even the

1943
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:53,440
ranchers knew what they were dealing

1944
01:15:57,030 --> 01:15:54,000
with

1945
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:57,040
and they were typically tagged that they

1946
01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:59,040
were offering a five dollar reward for

1947
01:16:02,709 --> 01:16:00,560
the instrument box

1948
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:02,719
if there was an instrument uh package of

1949
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:03,679
any sort

1950
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:05,120
it's cheaper than making another one

1951
01:16:08,950 --> 01:16:07,280
right so they would turn in the

1952
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:08,960
instrument box and they'd collect five

1953
01:16:11,910 --> 01:16:10,480
ten dollars that type of thing

1954
01:16:14,390 --> 01:16:11,920
well what should we do with the balloon

1955
01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:14,400
ah trash it you know we don't need it

1956
01:16:17,830 --> 01:16:16,400
you know we can't re reassemble and fly

1957
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:17,840
it again anyway

1958
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:20,400
so there was this water tank at the very

1959
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:21,600
ranch

1960
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:24,239
just overflowing with all the balloons

1961
01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:25,280
have been recovered

1962
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:29,040
through the decades so

1963
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:30,880
yeah so we're asked to believe that the

1964
01:16:35,189 --> 01:16:32,800
rancher all the

1965
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:35,199
ranchers in the area a state police

1966
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:36,560
officer

1967
01:16:42,709 --> 01:16:39,760
fireman sheriff

1968
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:42,719
the deputies and then the base commander

1969
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:43,600
and his two

1970
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:46,239
leading intelligence officers nobody can

1971
01:16:50,709 --> 01:16:47,600
identify

1972
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:50,719
this common off-the-shelf material i

1973
01:16:53,110 --> 01:16:52,239
don't care if you want to claim it's

1974
01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:53,120
mogul

1975
01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:55,760
or this radio sound balloon which was

1976
01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:56,239
the

1977
01:17:02,229 --> 01:16:59,679
original second explanation it's still

1978
01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:02,239
nothing more than neoprene rubber

1979
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:04,000
reflective foil

1980
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:08,000
wooden sticks string and tape

1981
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:11,280
yeah all right that's that's this has

1982
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:12,880
always bothered me

1983
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:14,320
when i talk to a skeptic and they say

1984
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:16,000
well you know the government it was a

1985
01:17:20,310 --> 01:17:18,000
mobile balloon they admitted it later

1986
01:17:21,990 --> 01:17:20,320
well okay but like all these air force

1987
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:22,000
intelligence people would know a weather

1988
01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:23,760
balloon and i didn't even think about

1989
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:25,040
you're right the ranchers would be

1990
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:26,719
familiar with it the firemen would have

1991
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:28,320
seen these things before

1992
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:30,880
i wanted to talk for a bit about where

1993
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:31,360
both

1994
01:17:37,830 --> 01:17:35,760
and bodies and maybe even a living

1995
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:37,840
living alien were recovered where they

1996
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:39,199
went to because we had an alien

1997
01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:41,040
scientist who's a physicist and very

1998
01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:42,800
interested in the materials

1999
01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:45,520
and he did a lot of uh he showed me a

2000
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:46,960
lot of research and things that i've

2001
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:47,679
never seen

2002
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:50,159
about where the material may have went

2003
01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:51,280
in the form of battelle

2004
01:17:54,390 --> 01:17:53,120
institute and some other places because

2005
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:54,400
that's beyond foia

2006
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:56,480
where do you believe the material went

2007
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:58,719
and ultimately ended up and the

2008
01:18:02,149 --> 01:18:01,199
bodies are aliens well we always be

2009
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:02,159
important

2010
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:04,480
we always need to keep in mind that the

2011
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:06,640
military slash government

2012
01:18:11,350 --> 01:18:09,679
doesn't manufacture anything everything

2013
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:11,360
is contracted out into the private

2014
01:18:15,430 --> 01:18:12,719
sector

2015
01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:15,440
every ship every plane every tank every

2016
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:16,800
rifle you name it

2017
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:17,920
that's why it's called the military

2018
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:19,520
industrial complex because it's

2019
01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:20,640
complicated

2020
01:18:24,790 --> 01:18:23,920
which very aptly warning us about

2021
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:24,800
because

2022
01:18:28,149 --> 01:18:27,600
when i'm asked today don where do you

2023
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:28,159
believe

2024
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:32,400
the material is i say

2025
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:34,719
the military no longer has it the

2026
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:35,440
government

2027
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:39,520
no longer has it it is all in private

2028
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:42,000
possession today which happens to be

2029
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:44,080
beyond foia request so that's convenient

2030
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:47,120
exactly and so you're talking about you

2031
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:49,440
mentioned patel institute

2032
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:51,120
you're talking about rand corporation

2033
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:52,320
you're talking about general electric

2034
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:53,840
you're talking about hughes aircraft

2035
01:18:56,709 --> 01:18:54,960
you're talking about boeing

2036
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:56,719
you're talking about bureau standards

2037
01:19:01,910 --> 01:18:58,480
we've had firsthand

2038
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:01,920
doug at all of these locations

2039
01:19:06,070 --> 01:19:04,640
and so isn't it interesting that even

2040
01:19:09,990 --> 01:19:06,080
today when we hear about

2041
01:19:13,350 --> 01:19:10,000
uh the government being in possession

2042
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:13,360
of a physical material but where is it

2043
01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:14,719
and they point like the bigelow

2044
01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:17,199
aerospace in in las vegas that type of

2045
01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:18,159
thing

2046
01:19:22,550 --> 01:19:20,719
they still point to the private sector

2047
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:22,560
well we know of it but we gave it to

2048
01:19:26,229 --> 01:19:23,920
them for testing

2049
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:26,239
and it was a case of well give us

2050
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:27,840
another six months and we'll give you

2051
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:28,560
some answers

2052
01:19:31,990 --> 01:19:31,040
oh we need another year and you know

2053
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:32,000
eventually

2054
01:19:35,590 --> 01:19:33,600
we don't know what you're talking about

2055
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:35,600
we have this you turn this over to us

2056
01:19:38,950 --> 01:19:36,400
and then because

2057
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:38,960
you know the attrition you know rate you

2058
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:39,679
know

2059
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:42,880
of things changing hands and different

2060
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:43,679
people come

2061
01:19:48,550 --> 01:19:46,560
into the scenario and before you know it

2062
01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:48,560
things slip between the cracks and just

2063
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:50,080
like that

2064
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:53,199
they're gone nobody knows where part a

2065
01:19:56,229 --> 01:19:55,760
part b and so on are even located any

2066
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:56,239
longer

2067
01:19:59,669 --> 01:19:58,800
there's no paper trail so to speak well

2068
01:20:01,270 --> 01:19:59,679
didn't know all the

2069
01:20:03,189 --> 01:20:01,280
when they did that big roswell the air

2070
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:03,199
force did that final roswell case close

2071
01:20:06,310 --> 01:20:04,880
investigation they found that all of

2072
01:20:09,030 --> 01:20:06,320
their paperwork

2073
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:09,040
was somehow disappeared all the

2074
01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:09,840
paperwork

2075
01:20:15,910 --> 01:20:13,040
for for the roswell actual crash event

2076
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:15,920
that should have been archived and

2077
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:17,600
capped all these years is just

2078
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:20,400
conveniently gone where most of it is or

2079
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:21,760
or so we're told

2080
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:25,600
yeah and the thought that first of all

2081
01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:28,960
the most sensitive most top

2082
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:32,320
secret base in the world at that time

2083
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:34,880
the roswell army airfield first atomic

2084
01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:35,600
bomb

2085
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:39,920
base in the world that their records

2086
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:43,920
would somehow have been destroyed

2087
01:20:48,470 --> 01:20:46,560
whether there was a ufo crash or not the

2088
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:48,480
very thought that

2089
01:20:53,590 --> 01:20:51,280
you're talking about the most crucial

2090
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:53,600
military facility in the world and

2091
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:56,239
somehow the records all get destroyed

2092
01:21:00,310 --> 01:20:57,760
how convenient

2093
01:21:01,910 --> 01:21:00,320
and at the time of the flying saucer

2094
01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:01,920
story

2095
01:21:06,790 --> 01:21:05,440
you know the enola gay and the first

2096
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:06,800
atomic bomb drop

2097
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:09,440
and everything all that all took place

2098
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:10,880
at the base so you would think just for

2099
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:12,480
history's sake they should have kept

2100
01:21:15,030 --> 01:21:13,360
everything

2101
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:15,040
of course of course and then all the

2102
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:16,800
game and then the second

2103
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:20,159
b-29 boxcar were even hangard

2104
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:24,880
at roswell after 1945.

2105
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:28,080
so the the thought that

2106
01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:29,440
i know and that's how the general

2107
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:30,880
accounting office when they accepted

2108
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:32,239
that explanation

2109
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:33,760
when they did the document search

2110
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:35,440
through all the branches of the military

2111
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:38,480
as well as departments of intelligence

2112
01:21:42,149 --> 01:21:40,800
they they had to accept that they came

2113
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:42,159
up empty-handed

2114
01:21:46,070 --> 01:21:44,560
but i for one don't believe that is the

2115
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:46,080
case i don't believe that the records

2116
01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:47,360
were destroyed

2117
01:21:51,430 --> 01:21:49,199
uh as we've been able to name for

2118
01:21:54,470 --> 01:21:51,440
example all the photographers that

2119
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:54,480
were brought into roswell that uh

2120
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:57,120
you know kept a storyboard record of

2121
01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:57,840
just

2122
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:01,520
every second of that recovery operation

2123
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:04,560
all the photographs all the film all the

2124
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:06,560
testimonies that would have been that's

2125
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:08,159
something else that alien scientists

2126
01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:10,000
found that i missed and in the fact

2127
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:12,320
that they didn't use the base uh

2128
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:14,080
photographers they brought in else

2129
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:16,880
why would you bring in fly in outside

2130
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:18,719
photographers to photograph weather

2131
01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:20,560
balloons why would you bring in outside

2132
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:22,480
doctors outside nurses why would you

2133
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:24,719
bring it outside mp

2134
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:27,280
units why would you bring in as far as

2135
01:22:32,950 --> 01:22:30,000
all these outside officers that came in

2136
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:32,960
and you know stephen we when we were

2137
01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:34,960
doing our initial

2138
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:39,280
uh searches for crucial witnesses

2139
01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:42,080
and we focused like on the 1395th which

2140
01:22:46,550 --> 01:22:45,040
was the mp squadron at the base of 47

2141
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:46,560
thinking that well certainly all the

2142
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:48,800
base security would have been involved

2143
01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:50,560
whether they were cordoning off as far

2144
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:51,040
as the

2145
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:54,159
the the outside roads or the perimeter

2146
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:54,960
of the site

2147
01:23:00,470 --> 01:22:58,719
itself and uh the transportation the

2148
01:23:02,229 --> 01:23:00,480
vehicles coming in and out and the

2149
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:02,239
security on the base

2150
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:04,320
well and then we we're finding these

2151
01:23:10,390 --> 01:23:07,199
people and and learning that

2152
01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:10,400
most of them were never involved and

2153
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:12,239
finding that there were units that came

2154
01:23:15,270 --> 01:23:12,639
in

2155
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:15,280
from other bases yeah that makes no

2156
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:16,320
sense

2157
01:23:20,950 --> 01:23:18,320
well but then it did become it did make

2158
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:20,960
sense for this reason

2159
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:22,639
because it was something that again is

2160
01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:25,440
standard procedure within the military

2161
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:26,560
yeah i was going to ask do you think

2162
01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:29,280
this was done for compartmentalization

2163
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:32,239
purposes yeah exactly because when the

2164
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:35,120
dust clears

2165
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:38,000
you have 95 percent of the person out

2166
01:23:41,990 --> 01:23:39,600
roswell who have been shut

2167
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:42,000
out they have been banned from any

2168
01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:42,719
involvement

2169
01:23:46,550 --> 01:23:44,480
they've been told to stay out of it

2170
01:23:47,669 --> 01:23:46,560
they've been told don't report to the

2171
01:23:50,149 --> 01:23:47,679
base hospital

2172
01:23:52,149 --> 01:23:50,159
don't report to your normal century duty

2173
01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:52,159
at building p3

2174
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:54,560
building 84 which all the wreckage and

2175
01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:56,320
the bodies transited through that type

2176
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:57,360
of thing

2177
01:24:00,870 --> 01:24:00,000
they were not ordered shoot the kill so

2178
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:00,880
in case

2179
01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:04,560
somebody actually was fatally

2180
01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:07,040
wounded that they'd have to live with

2181
01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:08,320
that they'd have to

2182
01:24:12,390 --> 01:24:10,400
fraternize and still coexist with the

2183
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:12,400
same person now on the base

2184
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:14,480
when you have outside people that come

2185
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:16,719
in and take charge

2186
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:21,120
and after everything is quiet

2187
01:24:24,629 --> 01:24:23,920
there is nobody to talk to nobody to

2188
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:24,639
exchange

2189
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:27,600
notes with because they've all gone home

2190
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:29,120
they've all split up

2191
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:30,960
and they don't have anyone to talk to

2192
01:24:35,590 --> 01:24:32,880
once they return back to their

2193
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:35,600
normal assignments so it's it's really

2194
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:36,560
when you think about

2195
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:39,760
quite you know ingenious because it's

2196
01:24:43,669 --> 01:24:41,520
the compartmentalization

2197
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:43,679
it's the way of shutting down all the

2198
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:45,120
buzz all the rumors

2199
01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:48,159
it's the way of preventing this

2200
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:51,520
minutia of talk except

2201
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:54,080
you know evolving into the point that

2202
01:24:58,790 --> 01:24:56,000
you lose control of it

2203
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:58,800
and i say i'm one mp that's assigned

2204
01:25:03,590 --> 01:24:59,440
from

2205
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:03,600
one barrack and i go back i report you

2206
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:04,960
know i i i

2207
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:06,960
finish my line of duty for the day and i

2208
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:10,320
go back i have nobody to talk to

2209
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:12,400
who's going to corroborate what i just

2210
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:14,719
experienced

2211
01:25:18,149 --> 01:25:17,280
but if the whole unit was sent in just

2212
01:25:20,709 --> 01:25:18,159
imagine

2213
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:20,719
you got 50 men all describing the same

2214
01:25:24,070 --> 01:25:22,000
thing

2215
01:25:25,350 --> 01:25:24,080
you know talking sharing you know their

2216
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:25,360
perspectives their

2217
01:25:29,350 --> 01:25:27,440
uh you know their comprehension of what

2218
01:25:29,910 --> 01:25:29,360
they had just experienced that type of

2219
01:25:32,669 --> 01:25:29,920
thing

2220
01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:32,679
so it is the the total

2221
01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:34,000
compartmentalization

2222
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:37,280
of the military and that's why secrets

2223
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:41,040
are able to be kept because

2224
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:42,639
it's the same reason they don't tell the

2225
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,480
president anything more than they have

2226
01:25:48,629 --> 01:25:46,480
to

2227
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:48,639
sure because he's part of that he's also

2228
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:50,800
part of that compartmentalization

2229
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:53,120
the less the president knows the safer

2230
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:54,080
he is

2231
01:25:57,430 --> 01:25:56,719
yeah ability sometimes look at ron

2232
01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:57,440
contra

2233
01:26:01,189 --> 01:25:59,280
yeah he just said well my advisors

2234
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:01,199
didn't tell me they were doing that

2235
01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:04,159
so i'm not responsible they want to get

2236
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:04,800
to the

2237
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:08,080
big

2238
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:11,360
crazy part of the story is this this

2239
01:26:14,550 --> 01:26:13,199
other crash site and recovered bodies

2240
01:26:16,470 --> 01:26:14,560
and maybe even a live

2241
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:16,480
alien where do you believe they would

2242
01:26:20,830 --> 01:26:17,679
have taken

2243
01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:20,840
both the live alien and and uh and the

2244
01:26:25,669 --> 01:26:24,400
cadavers we have uh we've had first 10

2245
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:25,679
witnesses

2246
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:28,080
not only photographers like frederick

2247
01:26:31,270 --> 01:26:29,120
benthal

2248
01:26:32,550 --> 01:26:31,280
that was brought in to take pictures of

2249
01:26:35,510 --> 01:26:32,560
the bodies

2250
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:35,520
out at the actual uh crash site we've

2251
01:26:39,910 --> 01:26:36,000
had

2252
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:39,920
firsthand witnesses at hangar p3

2253
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:41,840
within a b-29 hangar and we've had

2254
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:43,360
first-time witnesses at the base

2255
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:45,120
hospital

2256
01:26:51,910 --> 01:26:49,199
and also firsthand as well as secondhand

2257
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:51,920
family members again describing the

2258
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:53,600
survivor

2259
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:56,639
now uh lieutenant colonel marion

2260
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:58,159
magruder

2261
01:27:03,550 --> 01:27:01,280
was a triple ace in world war ii and he

2262
01:27:05,669 --> 01:27:03,560
was part of the war college class of

2263
01:27:09,430 --> 01:27:05,679
4748

2264
01:27:15,350 --> 01:27:09,440
and he would tell his five sons

2265
01:27:17,350 --> 01:27:15,360
independently before he died in 1995

2266
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:17,360
that they were assigned the wright

2267
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:19,040
patterson

2268
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:22,320
at a certain point and they were shown

2269
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:25,760
wreckage uh the cl the war college

2270
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:28,000
his picture class they were shown some

2271
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:30,000
of the wreckage from roswell

2272
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:32,320
they were able to handle it he described

2273
01:27:36,629 --> 01:27:34,960
the exact same properties that

2274
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:36,639
you know many of our other witnesses the

2275
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:38,880
memory the fiber optics that type of

2276
01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:39,920
thing

2277
01:27:43,510 --> 01:27:41,360
and then they were taken into another

2278
01:27:45,750 --> 01:27:43,520
room and the lights came on and behind a

2279
01:27:48,950 --> 01:27:45,760
glass wall

2280
01:27:52,229 --> 01:27:48,960
sat what clearly was

2281
01:27:55,030 --> 01:27:52,239
something not human

2282
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:55,040
interesting and they were told it was

2283
01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:56,239
the survivor

2284
01:28:03,510 --> 01:28:00,000
from roswell he felt very

2285
01:28:06,709 --> 01:28:03,520
sympathetic towards it he felt as though

2286
01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:06,719
we were treating it like a captured

2287
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:10,639
animal in many respects

2288
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:13,520
and we were then able to document we

2289
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:14,000
have the

2290
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:16,159
documents he was stationed he was

2291
01:28:21,590 --> 01:28:18,239
assigned the right patterson

2292
01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:21,600
in april of 1948

2293
01:28:27,910 --> 01:28:25,760
so in other words just 10 months later

2294
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:27,920
yeah this is really interesting and

2295
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:29,520
amazing to me

2296
01:28:33,510 --> 01:28:32,400
you know like that we may have had a

2297
01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:33,520
living alien

2298
01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:36,639
in in our custody you know

2299
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:38,080
and i've heard various stories that the

2300
01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:39,679
aliens sort of telepathically

2301
01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:42,400
communicated or something like that

2302
01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:44,800
yeah he knew his uh his fate you know

2303
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:45,440
like his

2304
01:28:52,629 --> 01:28:48,880
comrades were gone and you know

2305
01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:52,639
and we've heard that um you know

2306
01:28:56,149 --> 01:28:55,360
what they would call the abduction you

2307
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:56,159
know

2308
01:29:01,910 --> 01:28:59,520
experiences where the uh

2309
01:29:03,030 --> 01:29:01,920
abductees feel that they have received

2310
01:29:07,110 --> 01:29:03,040
telepathic

2311
01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:07,120
communication with

2312
01:29:12,070 --> 01:29:10,400
these beings so that

2313
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:12,080
would be would appear to be consistent

2314
01:29:15,030 --> 01:29:13,840
with what we've we've heard as far as

2315
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:15,040
with roswell

2316
01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:17,840
with the survivor that they felt that

2317
01:29:22,870 --> 01:29:19,520
there was some type of uh

2318
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:22,880
communication that took place uh

2319
01:29:27,669 --> 01:29:26,080
telepathically i don't usually go into

2320
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:27,679
those areas because again that's so

2321
01:29:30,470 --> 01:29:28,880
subjective

2322
01:29:32,709 --> 01:29:30,480
yeah and it's a lot of speculation

2323
01:29:34,310 --> 01:29:32,719
sometimes too yeah

2324
01:29:36,950 --> 01:29:34,320
but why do you believe that they would

2325
01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:36,960
have shown off the alien to these other

2326
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:39,520
officers was because it was the war what

2327
01:29:42,470 --> 01:29:41,040
purpose

2328
01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:42,480
was the war college and it was the best

2329
01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:44,159
and the brightest yeah yeah

2330
01:29:48,070 --> 01:29:46,400
and that those those classes what

2331
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:48,080
they're being trained in

2332
01:29:55,510 --> 01:29:52,000
specifically is foreign espionage

2333
01:29:59,750 --> 01:29:55,520
they're beyond as far as our regular

2334
01:30:04,149 --> 01:29:59,760
intel officers here within the states

2335
01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:04,159
what the war college intel officers then

2336
01:30:09,510 --> 01:30:07,520
is that they then work undercover within

2337
01:30:12,470 --> 01:30:09,520
foreign circles

2338
01:30:13,990 --> 01:30:12,480
and they secure as much information and

2339
01:30:17,189 --> 01:30:14,000
they spread as much

2340
01:30:20,950 --> 01:30:17,199
disinformation as possible

2341
01:30:25,910 --> 01:30:20,960
in other words they keep things very

2342
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:25,920
fluid as to hardcore information

2343
01:30:33,510 --> 01:30:30,560
and i believe that they were just

2344
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:33,520
they wanted another opinion they wanted

2345
01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:34,719
as far as the

2346
01:30:38,310 --> 01:30:36,719
the best and the brightest as you said

2347
01:30:40,870 --> 01:30:38,320
as you described stephen

2348
01:30:42,550 --> 01:30:40,880
of these officers because it

2349
01:30:43,110 --> 01:30:42,560
demonstrated that they were again they

2350
01:30:44,950 --> 01:30:43,120
were still

2351
01:30:46,390 --> 01:30:44,960
looking for answers they were looking

2352
01:30:48,310 --> 01:30:46,400
there was nothing in the army field

2353
01:30:51,510 --> 01:30:48,320
manual back in 1947

2354
01:30:55,270 --> 01:30:51,520
or 448 or 1950 or 1960.

2355
01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:55,280
how to deal with this and so

2356
01:31:02,629 --> 01:30:59,199
i'm sure they they brought in a lot of

2357
01:31:03,830 --> 01:31:02,639
the brightest just as

2358
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:03,840
i could imagine that they would be

2359
01:31:07,110 --> 01:31:05,520
concerned that this was some kind of a

2360
01:31:09,430 --> 01:31:07,120
recon force

2361
01:31:11,110 --> 01:31:09,440
ahead of an invasion you know of course

2362
01:31:13,590 --> 01:31:11,120
the paranoia of the time

2363
01:31:14,550 --> 01:31:13,600
now back to the cadavers though i was

2364
01:31:17,669 --> 01:31:14,560
curious to see

2365
01:31:18,629 --> 01:31:17,679
if you've ever been given uh some kind

2366
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:18,639
of uh

2367
01:31:23,590 --> 01:31:21,600
indication about who actually was

2368
01:31:26,950 --> 01:31:23,600
involved with any autopsies

2369
01:31:29,669 --> 01:31:26,960
or or examination of the bodies

2370
01:31:29,990 --> 01:31:29,679
and you know because i would assume that

2371
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:30,000
for

2372
01:31:34,310 --> 01:31:32,880
any doctor or pathologist or coroner

2373
01:31:37,669 --> 01:31:34,320
that would be like

2374
01:31:40,709 --> 01:31:37,679
the greatest event in their lifetime

2375
01:31:42,470 --> 01:31:40,719
getting to uh look at a body from an

2376
01:31:44,070 --> 01:31:42,480
extraterrestrial and i would imagine

2377
01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:44,080
that something had a leak

2378
01:31:47,110 --> 01:31:45,280
from the people involved with the

2379
01:31:50,709 --> 01:31:47,120
cadavers

2380
01:31:55,030 --> 01:31:50,719
and uh the late leonard springfield

2381
01:31:58,149 --> 01:31:55,040
who was a collector

2382
01:32:00,870 --> 01:31:58,159
in living in cincinnati ohio

2383
01:32:02,629 --> 01:32:00,880
he's on the opposite end of the state

2384
01:32:05,189 --> 01:32:02,639
but nonetheless

2385
01:32:06,229 --> 01:32:05,199
dayton ohio wright-patterson air force

2386
01:32:10,830 --> 01:32:06,239
base

2387
01:32:14,310 --> 01:32:10,840
he was right there and so he was

2388
01:32:17,990 --> 01:32:14,320
listening he had that i'm aware of

2389
01:32:22,070 --> 01:32:18,000
at least two first-hand doctors

2390
01:32:26,390 --> 01:32:22,080
who described to him autopsies

2391
01:32:29,669 --> 01:32:26,400
at wright pat right field in 1947.

2392
01:32:32,629 --> 01:32:29,679
we would only hear of certain

2393
01:32:33,750 --> 01:32:32,639
attempts and the thing is at roswell at

2394
01:32:36,550 --> 01:32:33,760
the roswell

2395
01:32:37,510 --> 01:32:36,560
base hospital they didn't have the

2396
01:32:40,310 --> 01:32:37,520
equipment

2397
01:32:41,270 --> 01:32:40,320
they didn't perform autopsies there at

2398
01:32:44,790 --> 01:32:41,280
the base

2399
01:32:46,550 --> 01:32:44,800
they didn't have a coroner in roswell

2400
01:32:47,990 --> 01:32:46,560
they realized they have to fly them

2401
01:32:49,669 --> 01:32:48,000
somewhere else and what better place

2402
01:32:51,510 --> 01:32:49,679
than the foreign technology

2403
01:32:53,310 --> 01:32:51,520
division at wright patterson right

2404
01:32:56,310 --> 01:32:53,320
exactly it doesn't get more foreign than

2405
01:32:59,350 --> 01:32:56,320
extraterrestrial bodies i would exactly

2406
01:33:00,870 --> 01:32:59,360
i couldn't agree more and so and that

2407
01:33:03,189 --> 01:33:00,880
too the fact that we have

2408
01:33:04,629 --> 01:33:03,199
first-hand witnesses such as general

2409
01:33:08,550 --> 01:33:04,639
arthur exxon

2410
01:33:11,669 --> 01:33:08,560
even colonel robert friend robert friend

2411
01:33:14,870 --> 01:33:11,679
was the second last director

2412
01:33:16,390 --> 01:33:14,880
of the air force's project blue book

2413
01:33:18,629 --> 01:33:16,400
and i was having dinner with him one

2414
01:33:21,430 --> 01:33:18,639
time in los angeles and he goes down

2415
01:33:24,470 --> 01:33:21,440
i don't think many of you even know that

2416
01:33:27,750 --> 01:33:24,480
i was at right field in 1947

2417
01:33:29,830 --> 01:33:27,760
when that wreckage from roswell came in

2418
01:33:31,430 --> 01:33:29,840
and i went oh i went oh the mogul

2419
01:33:33,510 --> 01:33:31,440
balloon that they had a test to make

2420
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:33,520
sure that it was really a balloon

2421
01:33:37,669 --> 01:33:36,000
and he laughed and he says you and i

2422
01:33:38,629 --> 01:33:37,679
both know that wasn't any type of

2423
01:33:41,510 --> 01:33:38,639
balloon

2424
01:33:42,070 --> 01:33:41,520
and i go oh colonel then what was it and

2425
01:33:44,870 --> 01:33:42,080
he goes

2426
01:33:46,950 --> 01:33:44,880
well i believe it was a broken arrow an

2427
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:46,960
errant atomic bomb

2428
01:33:53,030 --> 01:33:50,960
and i let him you know talk out as far

2429
01:33:55,350 --> 01:33:53,040
as why he believed that

2430
01:33:56,629 --> 01:33:55,360
what the colonel wasn't aware of was the

2431
01:33:58,629 --> 01:33:56,639
fact that

2432
01:34:00,629 --> 01:33:58,639
there were no broken arrows at that time

2433
01:34:02,709 --> 01:34:00,639
in fact we didn't have any bombs in our

2434
01:34:05,350 --> 01:34:02,719
arsenal

2435
01:34:06,629 --> 01:34:05,360
at that time yeah i guess we were alone

2436
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:06,639
in world war ii when we were still

2437
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:08,080
building up new ones right

2438
01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:09,760
that's right we were still conducting as

2439
01:34:13,030 --> 01:34:11,920
far as atomic research in los alamos and

2440
01:34:15,830 --> 01:34:13,040
new mexico

2441
01:34:16,950 --> 01:34:15,840
uh the bomb racks were kept not in

2442
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:16,960
roswell

2443
01:34:21,270 --> 01:34:20,159
they were kept at right field in dayton

2444
01:34:22,950 --> 01:34:21,280
ohio

2445
01:34:25,350 --> 01:34:22,960
and even when they were conducting the

2446
01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:25,360
bomb drop exercises

2447
01:34:30,550 --> 01:34:28,639
with their b-29s in roswell they were

2448
01:34:33,510 --> 01:34:30,560
using sand barrels

2449
01:34:35,270 --> 01:34:33,520
they didn't even have the bomb casings

2450
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:35,280
as far as the two bomb pits

2451
01:34:43,669 --> 01:34:40,320
which were at the base in 1947

2452
01:34:47,590 --> 01:34:43,679
neither one of them had a bomb

2453
01:34:49,910 --> 01:34:47,600
hidden as far as down within that silo

2454
01:34:52,229 --> 01:34:49,920
yeah and our adversaries wouldn't know

2455
01:34:54,950 --> 01:34:52,239
this it was just a huge deterrent

2456
01:34:56,390 --> 01:34:54,960
they knew that we had done hiroshima and

2457
01:34:57,990 --> 01:34:56,400
nagasaki

2458
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:58,000
and they would have assumed that we had

2459
01:35:03,350 --> 01:35:00,800
more so i guess absolutely

2460
01:35:04,629 --> 01:35:03,360
absolutely and that's why they kept it

2461
01:35:07,350 --> 01:35:04,639
so secret

2462
01:35:08,709 --> 01:35:07,360
well i don't really want i don't really

2463
01:35:10,310 --> 01:35:08,719
want to keep you too much longer but if

2464
01:35:11,910 --> 01:35:10,320
you don't mind we have a

2465
01:35:13,590 --> 01:35:11,920
great audience watching if you don't

2466
01:35:14,790 --> 01:35:13,600
mind we can take some questions for you

2467
01:35:17,189 --> 01:35:14,800
from our live chat

2468
01:35:19,350 --> 01:35:17,199
it's not often that we get some experts

2469
01:35:21,189 --> 01:35:19,360
so any questions from mr schmidt or

2470
01:35:22,310 --> 01:35:21,199
myself just put them in all caps so that

2471
01:35:24,470 --> 01:35:22,320
we know that they

2472
01:35:26,149 --> 01:35:24,480
are intended for him you can ask

2473
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:26,159
anything

2474
01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:28,400
um and you know again i want to thank

2475
01:35:31,109 --> 01:35:29,280
you for doing this

2476
01:35:33,510 --> 01:35:31,119
it's it's been my pleasure to have all

2477
01:35:34,790 --> 01:35:33,520
of you guys here because uh you know and

2478
01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:34,800
no matter what side

2479
01:35:38,709 --> 01:35:37,360
people are on you know there's there's a

2480
01:35:40,310 --> 01:35:38,719
you know we've had

2481
01:35:42,790 --> 01:35:40,320
kalkworth who's very skeptical and

2482
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:42,800
dismissive we've had you and mr randall

2483
01:35:47,590 --> 01:35:45,280
and even walter bosley with the zone

2484
01:35:49,510 --> 01:35:47,600
um thoughts on what may have crashed at

2485
01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:49,520
roswell it's great to get you guys all

2486
01:35:52,709 --> 01:35:50,800
in one place

2487
01:35:56,709 --> 01:35:52,719
okay here we go this is a great question

2488
01:36:00,550 --> 01:35:56,719
any speculation about why it crashed

2489
01:36:04,310 --> 01:36:00,560
we have confirmed that the very night

2490
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:04,320
july 2nd through the stallion

2491
01:36:09,669 --> 01:36:07,440
weather lookout

2492
01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:09,679
center that evening that there was a

2493
01:36:13,510 --> 01:36:11,679
severe lightning storm that came

2494
01:36:16,070 --> 01:36:13,520
off of the capping the southern tip of

2495
01:36:20,950 --> 01:36:16,080
the capitan mountains

2496
01:36:23,030 --> 01:36:20,960
and so even the ranchers described to us

2497
01:36:24,870 --> 01:36:23,040
that between the thunderclaps now this

2498
01:36:26,550 --> 01:36:24,880
is high desert

2499
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:26,560
been out there many times you don't want

2500
01:36:31,109 --> 01:36:28,560
to get caught out there

2501
01:36:33,030 --> 01:36:31,119
in a storm because the lightning strikes

2502
01:36:34,950 --> 01:36:33,040
the ground

2503
01:36:36,149 --> 01:36:34,960
if you're out there in a car you're the

2504
01:36:39,430 --> 01:36:36,159
highest

2505
01:36:40,870 --> 01:36:39,440
you know as far as a point you're a

2506
01:36:43,590 --> 01:36:40,880
lightning rod

2507
01:36:45,030 --> 01:36:43,600
standing out there and it's high desert

2508
01:36:48,229 --> 01:36:45,040
and so

2509
01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:48,239
one of the obviously uh theories is that

2510
01:36:54,790 --> 01:36:51,040
it was struck by lightning

2511
01:36:57,189 --> 01:36:54,800
again we have no way all we can do is

2512
01:36:58,070 --> 01:36:57,199
confirm there was a severe lightning

2513
01:36:59,910 --> 01:36:58,080
storm

2514
01:37:01,830 --> 01:36:59,920
but we still don't know if it was an

2515
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:01,840
internal malfunction

2516
01:37:08,310 --> 01:37:05,520
something caused it to explode uh

2517
01:37:09,669 --> 01:37:08,320
i guess we'll never know we'll never

2518
01:37:13,510 --> 01:37:09,679
know

2519
01:37:16,070 --> 01:37:13,520
but that much i can at least document

2520
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:16,080
that the night in question there was a

2521
01:37:19,830 --> 01:37:16,960
severe

2522
01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:19,840
lightning storm yeah could be it and uh

2523
01:37:22,229 --> 01:37:21,600
again uh from greg chase we have a

2524
01:37:24,070 --> 01:37:22,239
question

2525
01:37:26,070 --> 01:37:24,080
what is your opinion of gravity control

2526
01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:26,080
vehicle tech or i suppose he means

2527
01:37:30,310 --> 01:37:28,000
anti-gravity technology as being

2528
01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:30,320
man-made

2529
01:37:37,030 --> 01:37:34,000
interesting that even in general nathan

2530
01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:37,040
twining's letter

2531
01:37:43,510 --> 01:37:40,239
to general george shogren

2532
01:37:45,830 --> 01:37:43,520
asking about their

2533
01:37:47,669 --> 01:37:45,840
assessment of the situation this is two

2534
01:37:51,430 --> 01:37:47,679
months after roswell

2535
01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:51,440
they were already speculating that the

2536
01:37:57,669 --> 01:37:54,880
aircraft that tweeting

2537
01:37:59,590 --> 01:37:57,679
states in this letter is real that the

2538
01:38:00,709 --> 01:37:59,600
phenomenon is real and not visionary or

2539
01:38:04,149 --> 01:38:00,719
fictitious

2540
01:38:06,149 --> 01:38:04,159
yeah i love that memo i love that memo

2541
01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:06,159
well here's something stephen that most

2542
01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:08,000
ufologists don't even grasp

2543
01:38:11,830 --> 01:38:09,760
if you actually have a chance to ever

2544
01:38:14,470 --> 01:38:11,840
see the originals

2545
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:14,480
twining did not write that letter he

2546
01:38:18,390 --> 01:38:15,600
signed off

2547
01:38:20,870 --> 01:38:18,400
he agreed with the context of the letter

2548
01:38:24,070 --> 01:38:20,880
but you know who prepared the letter

2549
01:38:27,270 --> 01:38:24,080
all of his nuts and bolts engineers at

2550
01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:27,280
right field at that time

2551
01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:30,400
that makes it even more believable that

2552
01:38:36,950 --> 01:38:33,760
engine experts propeller experts uh

2553
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:36,960
as far as materials experts so nuts and

2554
01:38:40,629 --> 01:38:38,639
bolts guys

2555
01:38:42,070 --> 01:38:40,639
so why are you calling in nuts and bolts

2556
01:38:43,669 --> 01:38:42,080
guys if you're only dealing with

2557
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:43,679
siding reports if you're only dealing

2558
01:38:47,669 --> 01:38:46,080
with a couple photographs

2559
01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:47,679
why is it possible you're dealing with

2560
01:38:51,109 --> 01:38:49,199
nuts and bolts people because they're

2561
01:38:52,950 --> 01:38:51,119
actually dealing with the nuts and bolts

2562
01:38:55,030 --> 01:38:52,960
of the recovered saucer that was just

2563
01:38:56,390 --> 01:38:55,040
brought to your attention right there at

2564
01:38:59,270 --> 01:38:56,400
right field

2565
01:38:59,830 --> 01:38:59,280
so but the point being twining they were

2566
01:39:02,990 --> 01:38:59,840
already

2567
01:39:06,950 --> 01:39:03,000
speculating that the propulsion may be

2568
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:06,960
electromagnetic that it would draw

2569
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:10,880
power right out of the very atmosphere

2570
01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:13,920
and doing that that and like

2571
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:15,600
use the example if you take something as

2572
01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:17,520
simple as a balloon

2573
01:39:21,109 --> 01:39:19,360
and you create static rub it against

2574
01:39:22,629 --> 01:39:21,119
your arm

2575
01:39:24,229 --> 01:39:22,639
and then hold it up against the wall and

2576
01:39:25,590 --> 01:39:24,239
the balloon will defy gravity you'll

2577
01:39:27,030 --> 01:39:25,600
still hang as far as

2578
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:27,040
up against that wall or against the

2579
01:39:32,070 --> 01:39:29,840
ceiling from the static electricity

2580
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:32,080
well it's again it's anti-gravity

2581
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:33,440
electromagnetic you're creating

2582
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:34,320
electromagnetic

2583
01:39:38,709 --> 01:39:37,360
field of sorts so i believe that that

2584
01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:38,719
was the birth

2585
01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:41,360
of some of that research the idea that

2586
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:42,480
these crap

2587
01:39:47,350 --> 01:39:45,760
are able to push off of gravity repel

2588
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:47,360
gravity they hover

2589
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:49,360
and then they push off of it and are

2590
01:39:53,830 --> 01:39:50,719
able to accelerate

2591
01:39:56,709 --> 01:39:53,840
at a tremendous speed and

2592
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:56,719
in in using you even as far as the the

2593
01:39:59,669 --> 01:39:58,560
orbital rotation the gravity of the

2594
01:40:01,430 --> 01:39:59,679
planet itself

2595
01:40:02,870 --> 01:40:01,440
that they use it as their very

2596
01:40:04,870 --> 01:40:02,880
propulsion

2597
01:40:06,070 --> 01:40:04,880
and there and would lie that the ground

2598
01:40:07,189 --> 01:40:06,080
and we've been researching we've been

2599
01:40:08,709 --> 01:40:07,199
working on this

2600
01:40:10,709 --> 01:40:08,719
and i believe we're getting closer and

2601
01:40:14,550 --> 01:40:10,719
closer and

2602
01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:14,560
i belong to the eaa as far as the

2603
01:40:18,390 --> 01:40:16,560
experimental aircraft association in

2604
01:40:20,830 --> 01:40:18,400
oshkosh wisconsin

2605
01:40:22,629 --> 01:40:20,840
and when they unveiled the raptor the

2606
01:40:26,070 --> 01:40:22,639
f-35s and you see

2607
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:26,080
that jet hover you see it come

2608
01:40:30,149 --> 01:40:29,520
up and it turn its nose up and all at

2609
01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:30,159
once

2610
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:32,480
it's just bouncing it's resting on its

2611
01:40:34,870 --> 01:40:33,520
thrusters

2612
01:40:36,709 --> 01:40:34,880
yeah i've seen a video of that it's

2613
01:40:38,709 --> 01:40:36,719
pretty impressive and

2614
01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:38,719
then all at once it kicks in the

2615
01:40:42,229 --> 01:40:40,960
afterburners and like a rocket shoots

2616
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:42,239
straight up

2617
01:40:46,070 --> 01:40:45,360
just amazing now that's not anti-gravity

2618
01:40:48,310 --> 01:40:46,080
but we're

2619
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:48,320
getting there we are getting to the

2620
01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:49,440
point that

2621
01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:52,960
we understand and who is to say that the

2622
01:40:56,470 --> 01:40:54,960
the main inspiration may indeed have

2623
01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:56,480
been the very phenomena

2624
01:41:00,229 --> 01:40:58,560
that they're still saying doesn't exist

2625
01:41:02,310 --> 01:41:00,239
yeah i always found it interesting that

2626
01:41:03,990 --> 01:41:02,320
in the early 1950s a lot of

2627
01:41:05,910 --> 01:41:04,000
almost all of the major aircraft

2628
01:41:08,390 --> 01:41:05,920
manufacturers were really big there's

2629
01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:08,400
articles and things on electric gravity

2630
01:41:11,350 --> 01:41:09,280
research

2631
01:41:12,870 --> 01:41:11,360
and then shortly after that it just all

2632
01:41:15,189 --> 01:41:12,880
vanished and nobody talked

2633
01:41:16,149 --> 01:41:15,199
about it all goes underground like how

2634
01:41:19,510 --> 01:41:16,159
it's become

2635
01:41:21,189 --> 01:41:19,520
too top secret too sensitive and and

2636
01:41:22,790 --> 01:41:21,199
i i suppose in many respects it becomes

2637
01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:22,800
covert because you don't want to play

2638
01:41:25,910 --> 01:41:23,760
your hand

2639
01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:25,920
the idea that we may have such aircraft

2640
01:41:28,149 --> 01:41:26,800
today

2641
01:41:30,310 --> 01:41:28,159
and it's the last thing we want the

2642
01:41:33,189 --> 01:41:30,320
soviets or the chinese to even

2643
01:41:33,990 --> 01:41:33,199
you know be aware that we possess yeah

2644
01:41:36,310 --> 01:41:34,000
another uh

2645
01:41:37,910 --> 01:41:36,320
question can mr schmidt review if any

2646
01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:37,920
findings at the sites

2647
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:40,080
i think maybe uh they're talking about

2648
01:41:43,350 --> 01:41:41,679
these archaeological things and you have

2649
01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:43,360
a whole book on that can you talk about

2650
01:41:45,750 --> 01:41:43,840
what

2651
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:45,760
exactly was found was there any

2652
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:47,600
promising evidence found

2653
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:49,440
during all those archaeological digs

2654
01:41:52,070 --> 01:41:51,119
because i thought for a while when i

2655
01:41:52,870 --> 01:41:52,080
heard that they were doing that i

2656
01:41:54,629 --> 01:41:52,880
remember when it

2657
01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:54,639
when i first heard about that it was a

2658
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:56,000
long time ago but

2659
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:59,280
i thought maybe there was something left

2660
01:42:02,470 --> 01:42:00,880
there and they're going to find it

2661
01:42:04,709 --> 01:42:02,480
and maybe we'll get a smoking gun piece

2662
01:42:07,590 --> 01:42:04,719
of it now just imagine

2663
01:42:09,350 --> 01:42:07,600
as you yourself acknowledge that kevin

2664
01:42:11,830 --> 01:42:09,360
randall and i were skeptics

2665
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:11,840
our first trip to new mexico in february

2666
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:12,960
89.

2667
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:16,000
by that september were that

2668
01:42:22,070 --> 01:42:19,040
hot on the case that we are supervising

2669
01:42:24,870 --> 01:42:22,080
the first archaeological dig at

2670
01:42:26,470 --> 01:42:24,880
the debris field site the brazil on the

2671
01:42:28,709 --> 01:42:26,480
foster care quite a turnaround from

2672
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:28,719
skeptic to running an archaeological dig

2673
01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:30,960
right we had a team from the center few

2674
01:42:35,189 --> 01:42:32,239
of those studies

2675
01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:35,199
and we had archaeologists from argonne

2676
01:42:39,910 --> 01:42:36,719
laboratories

2677
01:42:42,470 --> 01:42:39,920
in illinois and we mapped out the site

2678
01:42:45,590 --> 01:42:42,480
using a satellite a survey meter

2679
01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:45,600
we laid out a systematic grid we mark

2680
01:42:48,709 --> 01:42:47,760
we flag area areas of potential

2681
01:42:52,229 --> 01:42:48,719
entrapment

2682
01:42:54,310 --> 01:42:52,239
we got ready with the hope that with

2683
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:54,320
with funding we'd be able to come back

2684
01:42:59,669 --> 01:42:56,320
and conduct a full-scale

2685
01:43:03,430 --> 01:42:59,679
you know archaeological dig well

2686
01:43:05,830 --> 01:43:03,440
we approached uh in 1995

2687
01:43:07,030 --> 01:43:05,840
six years later the contract archaeology

2688
01:43:09,189 --> 01:43:07,040
department at the university of new

2689
01:43:11,430 --> 01:43:09,199
mexico and albuquerque

2690
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:11,440
and that was that dick chapman was the

2691
01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:13,760
head of the department at that time

2692
01:43:17,750 --> 01:43:16,800
and with the hope that they would be

2693
01:43:21,590 --> 01:43:17,760
willing

2694
01:43:24,790 --> 01:43:21,600
to even do the dig

2695
01:43:25,430 --> 01:43:24,800
that we would have a university as far

2696
01:43:28,790 --> 01:43:25,440
as

2697
01:43:31,990 --> 01:43:28,800
sponsored dig sure yeah

2698
01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:32,000
a ufo crash site and

2699
01:43:36,229 --> 01:43:34,239
they accepted they agreed well we still

2700
01:43:41,030 --> 01:43:36,239
had to come up with the money

2701
01:43:43,590 --> 01:43:41,040
so in 2002 so seven years later

2702
01:43:46,310 --> 01:43:43,600
with the sci-fi channel that's when we

2703
01:43:49,350 --> 01:43:46,320
went in and we did the full-scale

2704
01:43:51,109 --> 01:43:49,360
dig second one but we were able to go in

2705
01:43:54,950 --> 01:43:51,119
with a back hole

2706
01:43:58,149 --> 01:43:54,960
and it's an area that witnesses

2707
01:44:00,950 --> 01:43:58,159
had described a furrow a gouge

2708
01:44:02,229 --> 01:44:00,960
after the military recovery had been

2709
01:44:04,709 --> 01:44:02,239
completed

2710
01:44:06,629 --> 01:44:04,719
and it was about 10 foot wide hundreds

2711
01:44:07,750 --> 01:44:06,639
of feet long but it filled in through

2712
01:44:09,189 --> 01:44:07,760
the years

2713
01:44:13,030 --> 01:44:09,199
it was no longer visible from the

2714
01:44:14,950 --> 01:44:13,040
surface so we flagged that site

2715
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:14,960
where witnesses again independent of one

2716
01:44:19,430 --> 01:44:16,080
another told us

2717
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:19,440
they saw that furrow and the back

2718
01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:20,560
co-operator

2719
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:22,800
he's even an archaeologist he's worked

2720
01:44:25,910 --> 01:44:23,840
over in egypt

2721
01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:25,920
he's worked in africa and other areas

2722
01:44:29,189 --> 01:44:27,600
he's got the touch as they would say

2723
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:29,199
he works for the ground engineering even

2724
01:44:31,870 --> 01:44:31,119
the engineers said that when they were

2725
01:44:35,189 --> 01:44:31,880
digging

2726
01:44:38,229 --> 01:44:35,199
perpendicular to the flagged gouge

2727
01:44:40,470 --> 01:44:38,239
area that the the shovel was jumping

2728
01:44:42,390 --> 01:44:40,480
like it was hitting loose sediment

2729
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:42,400
and when it was pulled aside there it

2730
01:44:47,830 --> 01:44:44,320
was just below the surface

2731
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:47,840
a symmetrical v exactly where the

2732
01:44:52,550 --> 01:44:50,400
eyewitnesses said it was

2733
01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:52,560
sorry something's impacted building

2734
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:54,000
later

2735
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:55,840
so something had actually skipped across

2736
01:44:59,910 --> 01:44:57,600
the ground and that the

2737
01:45:02,550 --> 01:44:59,920
wind and rain erosion had filled it all

2738
01:45:06,310 --> 01:45:02,560
in through the decades

2739
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:06,320
below the surface now since that time

2740
01:45:10,390 --> 01:45:09,360
we had another dig in 2006 we had

2741
01:45:20,149 --> 01:45:10,400
another one

2742
01:45:23,270 --> 01:45:20,159
and with assistance from

2743
01:45:25,590 --> 01:45:23,280
a geologist frank kimbler

2744
01:45:28,629 --> 01:45:25,600
who was working this site quite

2745
01:45:33,830 --> 01:45:28,639
diligently with just his metal detector

2746
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:33,840
in finding uh fragments metal fragments

2747
01:45:40,709 --> 01:45:37,040
and were analyzed and and some of them

2748
01:45:43,189 --> 01:45:40,719
turned out to be mostly aluminum

2749
01:45:44,790 --> 01:45:43,199
but with one strange alloy that

2750
01:45:48,070 --> 01:45:44,800
shouldn't be there

2751
01:45:51,750 --> 01:45:48,080
and that was um

2752
01:45:54,550 --> 01:45:51,760
lithium okay

2753
01:45:55,669 --> 01:45:54,560
um and that's not a very common thing to

2754
01:45:57,590 --> 01:45:55,679
mix with aluminum

2755
01:45:59,030 --> 01:45:57,600
right no because it's mixed strictly

2756
01:46:02,070 --> 01:45:59,040
with steel

2757
01:46:04,950 --> 01:46:02,080
it's a hardening agent for steel

2758
01:46:06,229 --> 01:46:04,960
and as a result there's not a registered

2759
01:46:09,830 --> 01:46:06,239
combination

2760
01:46:10,229 --> 01:46:09,840
of the two that we know of that we could

2761
01:46:12,870 --> 01:46:10,239
find

2762
01:46:15,030 --> 01:46:12,880
anywhere here on planet earth now again

2763
01:46:16,070 --> 01:46:15,040
it doesn't prove its extraterrestrial no

2764
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:16,080
we agree

2765
01:46:21,510 --> 01:46:19,440
but it's interesting it's they do any

2766
01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:21,520
did they do any tests on the isotopic

2767
01:46:24,310 --> 01:46:22,880
ratio of the illuminati

2768
01:46:26,790 --> 01:46:24,320
because we should believe that's it but

2769
01:46:30,790 --> 01:46:26,800
so it came back earthly

2770
01:46:35,030 --> 01:46:32,709
the molybdenum i pronounced it raw in

2771
01:46:37,910 --> 01:46:35,040
the first time molybdenum

2772
01:46:38,950 --> 01:46:37,920
and it was three percent doesn't sound

2773
01:46:40,950 --> 01:46:38,960
like a lot but that's

2774
01:46:43,270 --> 01:46:40,960
is a lot in conjunction with the

2775
01:46:44,629 --> 01:46:43,280
aluminum because it should make it as

2776
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:44,639
brittle as glass

2777
01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:47,760
as a hardening agent for steel and yet

2778
01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:51,280
there it is we didn't claim it was there

2779
01:46:57,109 --> 01:46:54,400
but three separate labs have

2780
01:47:00,790 --> 01:46:57,119
doing the radio isotope testing have

2781
01:47:05,669 --> 01:47:04,149
we uh i know on the history channel

2782
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:05,679
yeah i remember seeing that and i was on

2783
01:47:09,270 --> 01:47:07,040
the edge of my seat like what are they

2784
01:47:13,030 --> 01:47:09,280
going to find you know and then they

2785
01:47:15,990 --> 01:47:13,040
claim that they're picking up something

2786
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:16,000
buried beneath the surface that is

2787
01:47:19,990 --> 01:47:16,800
sending back

2788
01:47:20,310 --> 01:47:20,000
it's creating a magnetic signal it's

2789
01:47:23,350 --> 01:47:20,320
it's

2790
01:47:25,669 --> 01:47:23,360
repelling as far as uh that uh

2791
01:47:29,270 --> 01:47:25,679
subterranean radar

2792
01:47:32,310 --> 01:47:29,280
and then the uh ben smith

2793
01:47:34,870 --> 01:47:32,320
the cia operative

2794
01:47:36,550 --> 01:47:34,880
former cia operative suggests you mean

2795
01:47:40,310 --> 01:47:36,560
like a balloon

2796
01:47:41,109 --> 01:47:40,320
okay well i wish they would have talked

2797
01:47:43,910 --> 01:47:41,119
to us

2798
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:43,920
because if we go back to the raimi

2799
01:47:47,830 --> 01:47:45,119
photographs

2800
01:47:51,750 --> 01:47:47,840
in general raymie's office and that

2801
01:47:56,709 --> 01:47:51,760
rotted clump of rubber

2802
01:47:58,550 --> 01:47:56,719
at his feet on his office floor

2803
01:47:59,830 --> 01:47:58,560
if you were to know anything about

2804
01:48:02,070 --> 01:47:59,840
weather balloons especially those

2805
01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:02,080
particular balloons

2806
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:04,560
the the rubber especially when exposed

2807
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:05,520
to the elements

2808
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:08,960
starts to break down within days

2809
01:48:13,750 --> 01:48:10,960
where they'll be there 40 years 50 years

2810
01:48:15,270 --> 01:48:13,760
later within weeks it becomes like

2811
01:48:18,629 --> 01:48:15,280
powder

2812
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:18,639
and the reflective foil unless it's

2813
01:48:25,910 --> 01:48:22,560
one large intact sheet

2814
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:25,920
how did it bury itself and who buried it

2815
01:48:32,149 --> 01:48:29,040
and how they remain intact after

2816
01:48:34,950 --> 01:48:32,159
all these years so

2817
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:34,960
it was wishful thinking it was it was it

2818
01:48:38,229 --> 01:48:36,239
was kind of a

2819
01:48:39,910 --> 01:48:38,239
because they they build it up and they

2820
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:39,920
tear it down and unfortunately that's

2821
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:42,080
how a lot of these shows are

2822
01:48:46,070 --> 01:48:44,159
they raised the suspense level and then

2823
01:48:47,990 --> 01:48:46,080
they burst your bubble so to speak

2824
01:48:49,510 --> 01:48:48,000
yeah that's a pretty common theme and

2825
01:48:51,189 --> 01:48:49,520
another great question because i was

2826
01:48:53,189 --> 01:48:51,199
going to ask you this too

2827
01:48:54,870 --> 01:48:53,199
because there's been various

2828
01:48:56,629 --> 01:48:54,880
descriptions of what the craft looked

2829
01:48:57,990 --> 01:48:56,639
like some say that it was a sort of a

2830
01:49:00,149 --> 01:48:58,000
flying wing

2831
01:49:01,109 --> 01:49:00,159
not a saucer shaped craft and other

2832
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:01,119
people said that the

2833
01:49:07,910 --> 01:49:04,560
that the craft was you know

2834
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:07,920
a typical aluminum you know metal

2835
01:49:11,669 --> 01:49:10,320
flying saucer round and what what is

2836
01:49:14,709 --> 01:49:11,679
your take on that

2837
01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:14,719
which is uh and frank kaufman you know

2838
01:49:17,589 --> 01:49:15,760
getting back to

2839
01:49:20,070 --> 01:49:17,599
he was claiming that it was more of a

2840
01:49:24,310 --> 01:49:20,080
batwing

2841
01:49:24,870 --> 01:49:24,320
okay and and he had you know those of us

2842
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:24,880
who were

2843
01:49:31,990 --> 01:49:28,320
you know trying to uh you know

2844
01:49:34,070 --> 01:49:32,000
his credibility we were trying to pin it

2845
01:49:35,350 --> 01:49:34,080
to tie it in with what kenneth arnold

2846
01:49:38,310 --> 01:49:35,360
had described

2847
01:49:40,709 --> 01:49:38,320
on june 24th that they weren't saucer

2848
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:40,719
shaped they were more crescent-shaped

2849
01:49:43,750 --> 01:49:42,400
but that they maneuvered through the air

2850
01:49:45,510 --> 01:49:43,760
like saucers

2851
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:45,520
skipping across the water and that's

2852
01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:46,880
where uh

2853
01:49:52,629 --> 01:49:50,800
yeah famously it was a bilbao shape

2854
01:49:54,470 --> 01:49:52,639
who was reported with the oragorian

2855
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:54,480
newspaper bill burchette

2856
01:49:58,629 --> 01:49:56,639
bill bushette who they coined the the

2857
01:50:01,750 --> 01:49:58,639
very phrase flying saucer

2858
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:01,760
so disc was used before that

2859
01:50:05,189 --> 01:50:04,080
disc flying disc yeah flying this

2860
01:50:07,430 --> 01:50:05,199
exactly stephen

2861
01:50:08,870 --> 01:50:07,440
and uh even the william rhodes

2862
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:08,880
photographs from july

2863
01:50:15,430 --> 01:50:12,000
7th show that heel-shaped

2864
01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:15,440
object to pictures over uh

2865
01:50:22,229 --> 01:50:18,719
phoenix arizona at that time but the

2866
01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:22,239
witnesses at the impact site the debris

2867
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:24,639
field is debris whether it was the auto

2868
01:50:28,950 --> 01:50:26,159
pieces so you're not going to see what

2869
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:28,960
it yeah but the impact site

2870
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:32,400
where you had what appeared to be

2871
01:50:39,510 --> 01:50:36,400
an escape pod a capsule egg-shaped

2872
01:50:42,950 --> 01:50:39,520
about the size of a volkswagen beetle

2873
01:50:46,629 --> 01:50:42,960
so it was hardly you know an intact ship

2874
01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:46,639
but just as we have had escape modules

2875
01:50:51,430 --> 01:50:50,320
and as far as cabin ejection devices

2876
01:50:53,990 --> 01:50:51,440
that would propel

2877
01:50:56,550 --> 01:50:54,000
you know uh pilot and crew you know away

2878
01:50:58,870 --> 01:50:56,560
from uh disaster that type of thing

2879
01:50:59,990 --> 01:50:58,880
maybe that's where we learned you know

2880
01:51:01,910 --> 01:51:00,000
that uh

2881
01:51:03,109 --> 01:51:01,920
that's a great technology to figure out

2882
01:51:04,870 --> 01:51:03,119
for space flight too

2883
01:51:06,229 --> 01:51:04,880
right sometimes you gotta you gotta

2884
01:51:07,830 --> 01:51:06,239
escape and

2885
01:51:09,910 --> 01:51:07,840
another question and i'm sure that the

2886
01:51:10,629 --> 01:51:09,920
answer is yes but you you can talk speak

2887
01:51:12,390 --> 01:51:10,639
to this

2888
01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:12,400
well cargo ass had the basement buzzed

2889
01:51:17,910 --> 01:51:15,360
by ufos prior to the crash

2890
01:51:19,589 --> 01:51:17,920
we often asked that question were they

2891
01:51:23,189 --> 01:51:19,599
aware

2892
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:23,199
and what we we discovered that it wasn't

2893
01:51:27,830 --> 01:51:24,719
at roswell

2894
01:51:30,310 --> 01:51:27,840
but where there were

2895
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:30,320
a growing number of sightings and

2896
01:51:34,390 --> 01:51:31,360
reports

2897
01:51:36,470 --> 01:51:34,400
was at the white sands proving grounds

2898
01:51:37,830 --> 01:51:36,480
just a couple hours to the west of

2899
01:51:41,189 --> 01:51:37,840
roswell

2900
01:51:43,510 --> 01:51:41,199
and you had all of the

2901
01:51:44,629 --> 01:51:43,520
captured german v2 rockets being tested

2902
01:51:47,109 --> 01:51:44,639
there

2903
01:51:47,990 --> 01:51:47,119
it obviously just to the north is where

2904
01:51:49,990 --> 01:51:48,000
trinity

2905
01:51:53,430 --> 01:51:50,000
the first atomic bomb detonation took

2906
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:53,440
place just two years before

2907
01:52:01,910 --> 01:51:59,280
and you had the most sophisticated radar

2908
01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:01,920
system in the world at that time yeah i

2909
01:52:05,910 --> 01:52:03,840
wanted to protect that nuclear base

2910
01:52:09,430 --> 01:52:05,920
well atomic base at the time yeah but

2911
01:52:09,440 --> 01:52:14,070
because of the rocket launching now

2912
01:52:17,830 --> 01:52:16,390
radar was in its infancy at that time

2913
01:52:21,030 --> 01:52:17,840
and as a result

2914
01:52:24,149 --> 01:52:21,040
all other bases only track incoming

2915
01:52:26,310 --> 01:52:24,159
aircraft whereas white sands

2916
01:52:27,510 --> 01:52:26,320
at that time was the first base in the

2917
01:52:31,669 --> 01:52:27,520
world that was tracking

2918
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:31,679
in and departing aircraft

2919
01:52:35,270 --> 01:52:34,080
so it might have been a reason that they

2920
01:52:38,709 --> 01:52:35,280
were then picking up

2921
01:52:42,709 --> 01:52:38,719
more anomalies and then hence

2922
01:52:45,350 --> 01:52:42,719
there were a a a number of newspaper

2923
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:45,360
reports at that time of objects that

2924
01:52:49,109 --> 01:52:45,920
were

2925
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:49,119
witnessed and tracked over white sands

2926
01:52:53,189 --> 01:52:51,360
nothing around roswell except you had

2927
01:52:56,390 --> 01:52:53,199
the dan willmouth

2928
01:52:58,870 --> 01:52:56,400
sighting on the afternoon of july 2nd

2929
01:52:59,910 --> 01:52:58,880
and he and his wife on the west side of

2930
01:53:03,030 --> 01:52:59,920
roswell

2931
01:53:05,910 --> 01:53:03,040
saw an unknown an object that was moving

2932
01:53:08,229 --> 01:53:05,920
beyond roswell and towards the northwest

2933
01:53:10,629 --> 01:53:08,239
towards lincoln county

2934
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:10,639
which then would become you know the

2935
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:13,360
site of where this object explodes and

2936
01:53:18,709 --> 01:53:15,040
then rains debris down

2937
01:53:22,070 --> 01:53:18,719
that very evening interesting

2938
01:53:23,910 --> 01:53:22,080
well uh i'm i'm about done with the

2939
01:53:27,030 --> 01:53:23,920
i well i have i could keep you here for

2940
01:53:28,709 --> 01:53:27,040
another five hours but i won't do that

2941
01:53:30,870 --> 01:53:28,719
i want to thank you so much for doing

2942
01:53:32,950 --> 01:53:30,880
this i uh when you work

2943
01:53:34,550 --> 01:53:32,960
really i know you're very busy guy so

2944
01:53:36,390 --> 01:53:34,560
for those who don't know

2945
01:53:38,390 --> 01:53:36,400
mr schmidt is so busy that it took him a

2946
01:53:39,910 --> 01:53:38,400
while to get back to me and i kept going

2947
01:53:42,149 --> 01:53:39,920
every day i would check my email go

2948
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:42,159
please mr schmidt get back to me because

2949
01:53:45,669 --> 01:53:43,760
you've got to be in this series

2950
01:53:47,430 --> 01:53:45,679
we can't end it without mr schmidt's

2951
01:53:49,990 --> 01:53:47,440
participation and involvement

2952
01:53:51,510 --> 01:53:50,000
and and uh it's not just me all the

2953
01:53:52,629 --> 01:53:51,520
viewers kept asking me you're gonna have

2954
01:53:54,950 --> 01:53:52,639
don schmidt right

2955
01:53:56,870 --> 01:53:54,960
you know so thank you for your i wanted

2956
01:53:58,870 --> 01:53:56,880
to i wanted to tell everybody too

2957
01:54:01,189 --> 01:53:58,880
uh it's very easy to find mr schmidt's

2958
01:54:01,669 --> 01:54:01,199
books on amazon you just type in don

2959
01:54:03,910 --> 01:54:01,679
schmidt

2960
01:54:04,870 --> 01:54:03,920
and all his books pop up and i don't

2961
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:04,880
know

2962
01:54:08,070 --> 01:54:07,440
mr randall's written how many books have

2963
01:54:11,350 --> 01:54:08,080
you written

2964
01:54:12,550 --> 01:54:11,360
on just roswell can you go through

2965
01:54:14,709 --> 01:54:12,560
quickly

2966
01:54:17,030 --> 01:54:14,719
uh you have a crashing roswell truth

2967
01:54:20,629 --> 01:54:17,040
about beautiful crash at roswell

2968
01:54:23,510 --> 01:54:20,639
um witness to roswell the journal

2969
01:54:24,950 --> 01:54:23,520
and then i did ufo crash at roswell 2

2970
01:54:27,990 --> 01:54:24,960
which was the

2971
01:54:31,990 --> 01:54:28,000
chronological pictorial we did the first

2972
01:54:33,109 --> 01:54:32,000
uh uh edition of witness to roswell then

2973
01:54:36,310 --> 01:54:33,119
we did the

2974
01:54:36,870 --> 01:54:36,320
uh revised edition witness to roswell we

2975
01:54:39,830 --> 01:54:36,880
did the

2976
01:54:41,430 --> 01:54:39,840
children of roswell as you mentioned uh

2977
01:54:44,950 --> 01:54:41,440
we we now have done

2978
01:54:46,310 --> 01:54:44,960
roswell the uh the ultimate cold case

2979
01:54:51,270 --> 01:54:46,320
file

2980
01:54:55,910 --> 01:54:51,280
um roswell dig diaries

2981
01:54:59,030 --> 01:54:55,920
so um yeah well you type in don schmidt

2982
01:55:01,750 --> 01:54:59,040
and into uh into amazon you get just a

2983
01:55:03,510 --> 01:55:01,760
treasure trove of you know i have been

2984
01:55:05,189 --> 01:55:03,520
there's just a few left that i haven't

2985
01:55:06,390 --> 01:55:05,199
read of yours so i'm gonna i'm gonna

2986
01:55:08,310 --> 01:55:06,400
work on those because

2987
01:55:10,870 --> 01:55:08,320
and i think you could verify stephen

2988
01:55:13,910 --> 01:55:10,880
that in each book we cover

2989
01:55:15,669 --> 01:55:13,920
a whole new asset yeah yeah every time i

2990
01:55:17,430 --> 01:55:15,679
think like well you got another book

2991
01:55:19,109 --> 01:55:17,440
and then you get the book and it's like

2992
01:55:21,669 --> 01:55:19,119
a different it's a different

2993
01:55:23,350 --> 01:55:21,679
sort of approach like witness to roswell

2994
01:55:25,430 --> 01:55:23,360
is first-hand witnesses children of

2995
01:55:26,070 --> 01:55:25,440
roswell is second-hand or children of

2996
01:55:30,629 --> 01:55:26,080
people

2997
01:55:31,430 --> 01:55:30,639
and i know you wrote the book with kevin

2998
01:55:33,750 --> 01:55:31,440
randle

2999
01:55:35,510 --> 01:55:33,760
that was first right which i was reading

3000
01:55:37,589 --> 01:55:35,520
to the roswell movie

3001
01:55:39,669 --> 01:55:37,599
yeah yeah that's another thing that's

3002
01:55:40,870 --> 01:55:39,679
one of my favorite movies i think at the

3003
01:55:43,109 --> 01:55:40,880
end they want to

3004
01:55:44,709 --> 01:55:43,119
watch it you gotta you gotta watch for

3005
01:55:46,790 --> 01:55:44,719
kevin's cameo

3006
01:55:47,750 --> 01:55:46,800
i've seen it i've seen both of yours

3007
01:55:49,350 --> 01:55:47,760
you're in it too

3008
01:55:51,510 --> 01:55:49,360
you're in the movie you're like a

3009
01:55:52,790 --> 01:55:51,520
bartender right i'm a bartender and a

3010
01:55:55,589 --> 01:55:52,800
senior

3011
01:55:56,149 --> 01:55:55,599
con mclaughlin xander berkeley martin

3012
01:56:00,149 --> 01:55:56,159
sheen

3013
01:56:01,830 --> 01:56:00,159
and kim greis yes that is awesome

3014
01:56:03,109 --> 01:56:01,840
well i would encourage my audience if

3015
01:56:04,629 --> 01:56:03,119
you want to if you want to learn more

3016
01:56:06,070 --> 01:56:04,639
about this event i can think of no

3017
01:56:08,550 --> 01:56:06,080
better place to start

3018
01:56:10,070 --> 01:56:08,560
than mr schmidt's books uh it's been an

3019
01:56:11,669 --> 01:56:10,080
honor and privilege to have you here i

3020
01:56:14,070 --> 01:56:11,679
can't tell you how happy i am that

3021
01:56:16,229 --> 01:56:14,080
that you could do that and i promise

3022
01:56:18,149 --> 01:56:16,239
next time you ask

3023
01:56:19,990 --> 01:56:18,159
i know it's quite all right it's quite

3024
01:56:22,149 --> 01:56:20,000
all right i know you're a busy guy so i

3025
01:56:23,510 --> 01:56:22,159
was just hopeful like we got to get mr

3026
01:56:26,229 --> 01:56:23,520
smith to finish you know

3027
01:56:27,830 --> 01:56:26,239
i'm hoping that we might get a few more

3028
01:56:29,750 --> 01:56:27,840
we might get a few more people but the

3029
01:56:32,709 --> 01:56:29,760
next things are really like

3030
01:56:33,910 --> 01:56:32,719
more out there and not very i don't want

3031
01:56:35,830 --> 01:56:33,920
to say credible but

3032
01:56:37,350 --> 01:56:35,840
just you know just because i want to

3033
01:56:39,270 --> 01:56:37,360
include all perspectives and

3034
01:56:40,950 --> 01:56:39,280
let everybody make up their own mind and

3035
01:56:42,550 --> 01:56:40,960
maybe when we're finished with the

3036
01:56:44,470 --> 01:56:42,560
series we'll do a panel and see if we

3037
01:56:46,390 --> 01:56:44,480
can have everybody come back

3038
01:56:48,310 --> 01:56:46,400
and uh but you guys have to promise not

3039
01:56:51,430 --> 01:56:48,320
to try to murder kalkur

3040
01:56:53,910 --> 01:56:51,440
if you come on no no if

3041
01:56:56,470 --> 01:56:53,920
it's gonna be contentious if i could

3042
01:56:58,229 --> 01:56:56,480
survive doing the debate at cycop

3043
01:57:00,629 --> 01:56:58,239
yeah i think you'll be okay i think him

3044
01:57:02,390 --> 01:57:00,639
and mr randall have a long-standing beef

3045
01:57:04,310 --> 01:57:02,400
going though so that's gonna be a

3046
01:57:06,149 --> 01:57:04,320
big back and forth you know i guess it's

3047
01:57:08,790 --> 01:57:06,159
competitive doing this roswell book

3048
01:57:12,709 --> 01:57:08,800
stuff and everybody wants to be right

3049
01:57:15,589 --> 01:57:12,719
it's if i have to

3050
01:57:18,070 --> 01:57:15,599
if i had to waste my time and i think a

3051
01:57:19,990 --> 01:57:18,080
lot of it becomes a distraction

3052
01:57:22,390 --> 01:57:20,000
and it would be no different than i

3053
01:57:23,350 --> 01:57:22,400
probably have over 200 letters that i

3054
01:57:26,310 --> 01:57:23,360
received from phil

3055
01:57:27,830 --> 01:57:26,320
class through the years and you know how

3056
01:57:31,589 --> 01:57:27,840
many i actually responded to

3057
01:57:35,990 --> 01:57:34,229
whereas kevin responded to everyone and

3058
01:57:37,189 --> 01:57:36,000
it's like every time you're taking the

3059
01:57:40,149 --> 01:57:37,199
time to do that

3060
01:57:41,109 --> 01:57:40,159
it takes away from the investigation and

3061
01:57:43,510 --> 01:57:41,119
uh that's why

3062
01:57:44,790 --> 01:57:43,520
i don't have the time and i i won't

3063
01:57:46,870 --> 01:57:44,800
waste my time

3064
01:57:48,790 --> 01:57:46,880
in yeah i don't i don't blame you i

3065
01:57:52,550 --> 01:57:48,800
don't blame you it's a distraction

3066
01:57:54,790 --> 01:57:52,560
it doesn't uh you progress anything

3067
01:57:56,390 --> 01:57:54,800
good or bad but let's end it on this

3068
01:57:58,229 --> 01:57:56,400
note and i've said this before

3069
01:58:00,470 --> 01:57:58,239
oh yeah wait a minute actually yeah i

3070
01:58:01,030 --> 01:58:00,480
i'm so glad that you i'm i'm gonna solo

3071
01:58:08,790 --> 01:58:01,040
you

3072
01:58:10,470 --> 01:58:08,800
before that i think is really

3073
01:58:12,229 --> 01:58:10,480
is one of the things that convinced me

3074
01:58:14,870 --> 01:58:12,239
about you know this and

3075
01:58:15,910 --> 01:58:14,880
you know who flew you you know the i've

3076
01:58:17,750 --> 01:58:15,920
heard you do this

3077
01:58:19,430 --> 01:58:17,760
so i'm gonna solo you and i would really

3078
01:58:22,229 --> 01:58:19,440
like it if you can

3079
01:58:22,709 --> 01:58:22,239
you can wrap up this your appearance

3080
01:58:25,589 --> 01:58:22,719
here

3081
01:58:27,109 --> 01:58:25,599
by giving us five minutes or so of your

3082
01:58:31,589 --> 01:58:27,119
very best evidence

3083
01:58:32,790 --> 01:58:31,599
and why you believe the alien hypothesis

3084
01:58:34,950 --> 01:58:32,800
you know this again coming from the

3085
01:58:36,070 --> 01:58:34,960
perspective of having been a total

3086
01:58:39,510 --> 01:58:36,080
skeptic

3087
01:58:42,709 --> 01:58:39,520
and allowing the evidence to take us

3088
01:58:45,270 --> 01:58:42,719
to whatever the final resolution

3089
01:58:46,310 --> 01:58:45,280
would happen to be regarding the case

3090
01:58:49,830 --> 01:58:46,320
and

3091
01:58:52,629 --> 01:58:49,840
describe one after the other whether

3092
01:58:55,589 --> 01:58:52,639
military civilians

3093
01:58:57,430 --> 01:58:55,599
handling material that defies

3094
01:58:59,270 --> 01:58:57,440
conventional explanation

3095
01:59:00,709 --> 01:58:59,280
and i don't care what the alternative

3096
01:59:03,750 --> 01:59:00,719
explanation they never

3097
01:59:06,390 --> 01:59:03,760
deal with those accounts

3098
01:59:07,990 --> 01:59:06,400
whether you're talking about you know

3099
01:59:10,629 --> 01:59:08,000
something top secret

3100
01:59:11,669 --> 01:59:10,639
or a balloon and how ridiculous a

3101
01:59:14,790 --> 01:59:11,679
balloon

3102
01:59:15,910 --> 01:59:14,800
not demonstrating anything

3103
01:59:18,709 --> 01:59:15,920
that would resemble what the

3104
01:59:22,149 --> 01:59:18,719
eyewitnesses have described

3105
01:59:23,270 --> 01:59:22,159
and then you have all the outside

3106
01:59:25,350 --> 01:59:23,280
personnel that come

3107
01:59:26,310 --> 01:59:25,360
in like one of the nurses who was at the

3108
01:59:28,470 --> 01:59:26,320
base hospital

3109
01:59:29,589 --> 01:59:28,480
told us at that time because they were

3110
01:59:31,830 --> 01:59:29,599
told to stay away

3111
01:59:33,830 --> 01:59:31,840
they were told not to report back to the

3112
01:59:34,709 --> 01:59:33,840
hospital for their normal duties at that

3113
01:59:38,310 --> 01:59:34,719
time

3114
01:59:41,189 --> 01:59:38,320
and she said to us clearly something big

3115
01:59:44,149 --> 01:59:41,199
had happened well a recovery of a

3116
01:59:47,189 --> 01:59:44,159
weather balloon again is as mundane

3117
01:59:48,870 --> 01:59:47,199
as in raining during the monsoons at

3118
01:59:51,430 --> 01:59:48,880
that time of year

3119
01:59:53,350 --> 01:59:51,440
they wouldn't have you know shut down

3120
01:59:56,950 --> 01:59:53,360
the base they wouldn't have

3121
01:59:59,990 --> 01:59:56,960
directed as far as mps shoot to kill

3122
02:00:02,070 --> 02:00:00,000
anybody as far as crossing a particular

3123
02:00:04,870 --> 02:00:02,080
as far as perimeter

3124
02:00:05,270 --> 02:00:04,880
they wouldn't have had the transporting

3125
02:00:08,149 --> 02:00:05,280
of

3126
02:00:09,430 --> 02:00:08,159
wreckage that went for testing and

3127
02:00:11,910 --> 02:00:09,440
analysis

3128
02:00:12,870 --> 02:00:11,920
at different facilities around the

3129
02:00:14,709 --> 02:00:12,880
country

3130
02:00:16,709 --> 02:00:14,719
they wouldn't have called up the funeral

3131
02:00:18,229 --> 02:00:16,719
home asking as far as

3132
02:00:21,830 --> 02:00:18,239
what should be done as far as the

3133
02:00:23,589 --> 02:00:21,840
preservation of bodily tissue and fluids

3134
02:00:26,149 --> 02:00:23,599
regarding something that we can't

3135
02:00:27,109 --> 02:00:26,159
document an accident at that time

3136
02:00:29,990 --> 02:00:27,119
involving

3137
02:00:31,189 --> 02:00:30,000
anyone any bodies that would have

3138
02:00:34,310 --> 02:00:31,199
necessitated

3139
02:00:36,790 --> 02:00:34,320
such inquiries at that time and so

3140
02:00:38,709 --> 02:00:36,800
either you have the military

3141
02:00:41,270 --> 02:00:38,719
and the civilians involved all reading

3142
02:00:43,030 --> 02:00:41,280
from the same script

3143
02:00:44,470 --> 02:00:43,040
because they all experienced this from

3144
02:00:46,390 --> 02:00:44,480
their different vantage points their

3145
02:00:49,030 --> 02:00:46,400
different backgrounds

3146
02:00:50,550 --> 02:00:49,040
but yet they reacted the same way i

3147
02:00:53,350 --> 02:00:50,560
don't care if it's the

3148
02:00:53,990 --> 02:00:53,360
the ranchers and their hired hands their

3149
02:00:56,149 --> 02:00:54,000
wives their

3150
02:00:57,830 --> 02:00:56,159
children or all the way up to the base

3151
02:00:59,430 --> 02:00:57,840
commander at roswell

3152
02:01:02,790 --> 02:00:59,440
who would have been the second pilot

3153
02:01:05,510 --> 02:01:02,800
dropping the atomic bomb on japan

3154
02:01:07,189 --> 02:01:05,520
the reason that he wasn't sent on that

3155
02:01:07,750 --> 02:01:07,199
mission was because they had higher

3156
02:01:10,709 --> 02:01:07,760
hopes

3157
02:01:12,550 --> 02:01:10,719
higher plans for him they kept him

3158
02:01:14,629 --> 02:01:12,560
stateside because

3159
02:01:16,390 --> 02:01:14,639
he was their golden boy at that time

3160
02:01:18,149 --> 02:01:16,400
this was no knee-jerk reaction

3161
02:01:20,629 --> 02:01:18,159
when they put that press release out on

3162
02:01:22,070 --> 02:01:20,639
july 8th

3163
02:01:24,390 --> 02:01:22,080
where they announced to the world that

3164
02:01:26,790 --> 02:01:24,400
they had a flying saucer

3165
02:01:28,709 --> 02:01:26,800
knee-jerk reaction washington already

3166
02:01:29,990 --> 02:01:28,719
had the material in hand already sunday

3167
02:01:33,430 --> 02:01:30,000
july 6th

3168
02:01:36,310 --> 02:01:33,440
they had all day on monday the 7th and

3169
02:01:37,189 --> 02:01:36,320
till that next morning to put together

3170
02:01:40,470 --> 02:01:37,199
this whole

3171
02:01:41,910 --> 02:01:40,480
as far as cover-up scheme and it worked

3172
02:01:44,629 --> 02:01:41,920
they got away with it

3173
02:01:47,510 --> 02:01:44,639
and they shut down roswell all the

3174
02:01:48,870 --> 02:01:47,520
violations of the first amendment rights

3175
02:01:50,470 --> 02:01:48,880
they threatened them with the loss of

3176
02:01:52,550 --> 02:01:50,480
the licenses that they should never talk

3177
02:01:55,030 --> 02:01:52,560
about this again

3178
02:01:57,030 --> 02:01:55,040
and then they have they start abducting

3179
02:02:00,070 --> 02:01:57,040
civilians

3180
02:02:00,470 --> 02:02:00,080
i mean please explain to me why in god's

3181
02:02:04,149 --> 02:02:00,480
name

3182
02:02:07,430 --> 02:02:04,159
if the rancher mack frazzle has merely

3183
02:02:09,750 --> 02:02:07,440
misreported misidentified a weather

3184
02:02:13,189 --> 02:02:09,760
balloon device

3185
02:02:15,189 --> 02:02:13,199
why would they violate his civil rights

3186
02:02:17,350 --> 02:02:15,199
by kidnapping him and holding him out at

3187
02:02:19,669 --> 02:02:17,360
the base for five full days

3188
02:02:21,030 --> 02:02:19,679
and then until he recants his story

3189
02:02:23,669 --> 02:02:21,040
until he is then

3190
02:02:24,950 --> 02:02:23,679
ushered to the newspapers to the radio

3191
02:02:27,430 --> 02:02:24,960
stations

3192
02:02:28,870 --> 02:02:27,440
to retract the original flying saucer

3193
02:02:31,030 --> 02:02:28,880
story

3194
02:02:32,950 --> 02:02:31,040
and then and only then after they have

3195
02:02:35,830 --> 02:02:32,960
his assurance that he'll never say

3196
02:02:37,510 --> 02:02:35,840
a word about the truth of the matter

3197
02:02:39,350 --> 02:02:37,520
they release him

3198
02:02:40,790 --> 02:02:39,360
and he's a broken man he's never the

3199
02:02:43,109 --> 02:02:40,800
same

3200
02:02:44,550 --> 02:02:43,119
we've talked to his hand hired hands

3201
02:02:46,709 --> 02:02:44,560
we've talked to his

3202
02:02:47,750 --> 02:02:46,719
family and they all said how he was a

3203
02:02:49,669 --> 02:02:47,760
broken

3204
02:02:50,870 --> 02:02:49,679
rancher he was never the same after all

3205
02:02:53,910 --> 02:02:50,880
this

3206
02:02:56,070 --> 02:02:53,920
into the

3207
02:02:56,950 --> 02:02:56,080
later stages of their lives and where

3208
02:02:58,470 --> 02:02:56,960
they're not

3209
02:03:00,229 --> 02:02:58,480
and then only giving deathbed

3210
02:03:01,910 --> 02:03:00,239
testimonies they're finally

3211
02:03:03,430 --> 02:03:01,920
conceding they're finally breaking down

3212
02:03:06,070 --> 02:03:03,440
and they're telling their wives

3213
02:03:07,189 --> 02:03:06,080
their children it wasn't a balloon it

3214
02:03:08,870 --> 02:03:07,199
wasn't from here

3215
02:03:10,790 --> 02:03:08,880
they weren't from here they weren't

3216
02:03:14,149 --> 02:03:10,800
human it wasn't

3217
02:03:17,109 --> 02:03:14,159
made on this earth as major jesse marcel

3218
02:03:17,430 --> 02:03:17,119
said the number one intelligence officer

3219
02:03:20,870 --> 02:03:17,440
in

3220
02:03:22,950 --> 02:03:20,880
the united states military at that time

3221
02:03:23,910 --> 02:03:22,960
and he makes that statement that it was

3222
02:03:27,990 --> 02:03:23,920
nothing made

3223
02:03:28,629 --> 02:03:28,000
on this earth now i grant it i grant you

3224
02:03:31,589 --> 02:03:28,639
this

3225
02:03:33,510 --> 02:03:31,599
the onus remains on us the burden of

3226
02:03:35,510 --> 02:03:33,520
proof is still with us

3227
02:03:37,669 --> 02:03:35,520
but at least our investigation has

3228
02:03:40,310 --> 02:03:37,679
remained fluid after all this time

3229
02:03:41,589 --> 02:03:40,320
we are still racing with the undertaker

3230
02:03:43,830 --> 02:03:41,599
now with the families

3231
02:03:45,750 --> 02:03:43,840
we are still searching the sites we are

3232
02:03:47,589 --> 02:03:45,760
still looking for the physical evidence

3233
02:03:49,109 --> 02:03:47,599
we're still hoping that there's a foot

3234
02:03:51,270 --> 02:03:49,119
locker or

3235
02:03:53,189 --> 02:03:51,280
something hidden as far as in a basement

3236
02:03:55,830 --> 02:03:53,199
or a crawl space

3237
02:03:57,990 --> 02:03:55,840
yet to be discovered and presented to

3238
02:03:59,270 --> 02:03:58,000
finally prove this

3239
02:04:01,109 --> 02:03:59,280
but we're still the ones who are

3240
02:04:04,550 --> 02:04:01,119
proactive we're the ones that are

3241
02:04:07,270 --> 02:04:04,560
still not so rigid in our position as

3242
02:04:08,550 --> 02:04:07,280
putting out a final statement and this

3243
02:04:11,910 --> 02:04:08,560
is the end of it

3244
02:04:14,310 --> 02:04:11,920
and take it or leave it because i say so

3245
02:04:15,910 --> 02:04:14,320
well in our cases it's because all of

3246
02:04:18,790 --> 02:04:15,920
our witnesses say so

3247
02:04:19,669 --> 02:04:18,800
because you have zero witnesses please

3248
02:04:23,430 --> 02:04:19,679
you have none

3249
02:04:26,709 --> 02:04:23,440
and you know it you have absolutely zero

3250
02:04:27,510 --> 02:04:26,719
witnesses and so how do you think that

3251
02:04:30,629 --> 02:04:27,520
would

3252
02:04:32,950 --> 02:04:30,639
decide in a court of law

3253
02:04:33,669 --> 02:04:32,960
well i have no way to call up to the

3254
02:04:36,550 --> 02:04:33,679
stand

3255
02:04:38,310 --> 02:04:36,560
i have nobody to present any information

3256
02:04:41,990 --> 02:04:38,320
or any documentation

3257
02:04:45,669 --> 02:04:42,000
or any testimony to the uh contrary

3258
02:04:47,830 --> 02:04:45,679
but believe me sorry judge is going to

3259
02:04:51,350 --> 02:04:47,840
laugh you out of the room

3260
02:04:52,950 --> 02:04:51,360
because your opinion is nothing more

3261
02:04:54,390 --> 02:04:52,960
than an opinion and they come a dime a

3262
02:04:57,510 --> 02:04:54,400
dozen

3263
02:05:04,709 --> 02:05:01,030
if we're wrong about this entire

3264
02:05:11,430 --> 02:05:07,910
life goes on the world goes on it

3265
02:05:15,030 --> 02:05:11,440
changes nothing

3266
02:05:19,030 --> 02:05:15,040
but if you're wrong if you

3267
02:05:23,669 --> 02:05:19,040
have been misleading the public

3268
02:05:29,430 --> 02:05:27,189
about what we consider to be the biggest

3269
02:05:32,629 --> 02:05:29,440
story of the millennium

3270
02:05:35,990 --> 02:05:32,639
it changes everything and

3271
02:05:40,550 --> 02:05:36,000
that is your greatest fear

3272
02:05:42,550 --> 02:05:40,560
that it will change everything

3273
02:05:45,430 --> 02:05:42,560
and you were leading the charge to make

3274
02:05:48,709 --> 02:05:45,440
sure it never came out

3275
02:05:51,990 --> 02:05:48,719
that burden guilt

3276
02:05:53,990 --> 02:05:52,000
remains with you not us

3277
02:05:55,109 --> 02:05:54,000
because we've done all we can and we

3278
02:05:58,310 --> 02:05:55,119
will continue to do

3279
02:05:59,750 --> 02:05:58,320
all we can to demonstrate what really

3280
02:06:04,149 --> 02:05:59,760
happened

3281
02:06:07,589 --> 02:06:04,159
it's an old movie and i'll end with this

3282
02:06:11,109 --> 02:06:07,599
called the rashomon effect it's a

3283
02:06:13,669 --> 02:06:11,119
japanese murder trial 1950 the rashimon

3284
02:06:16,069 --> 02:06:13,679
effect as demonstrated in the courtroom

3285
02:06:17,510 --> 02:06:16,079
is that there are three sides to every

3286
02:06:21,270 --> 02:06:17,520
event

3287
02:06:24,629 --> 02:06:21,280
three sides there's your opinion

3288
02:06:27,750 --> 02:06:24,639
your position there's my opinion

3289
02:06:30,950 --> 02:06:27,760
my position and then number three

3290
02:06:33,109 --> 02:06:30,960
there is what really happened

3291
02:06:34,069 --> 02:06:33,119
who has performed the greatest due

3292
02:06:37,350 --> 02:06:34,079
diligence

3293
02:06:38,870 --> 02:06:37,360
in establishing what happened those who

3294
02:06:41,669 --> 02:06:38,880
just say

3295
02:06:42,390 --> 02:06:41,679
it didn't happen because i say it didn't

3296
02:06:44,950 --> 02:06:42,400
happen

3297
02:06:45,669 --> 02:06:44,960
or those who are still making every

3298
02:06:49,350 --> 02:06:45,679
effort

3299
02:06:51,430 --> 02:06:49,360
to prove and demonstrate what happened

3300
02:06:53,990 --> 02:06:51,440
no matter what happened whatever

3301
02:06:58,629 --> 02:06:57,589
and there too i think history will judge

3302
02:07:05,350 --> 02:06:58,639
us

3303
02:07:06,069 --> 02:07:05,360
flatly and summarily dismissed what

3304
02:07:09,030 --> 02:07:06,079
again

3305
02:07:16,709 --> 02:07:09,040
potentially is the greatest story in the

3306
02:07:23,109 --> 02:07:19,910
okay well spoken i like that

3307
02:07:25,030 --> 02:07:23,119
long enough but no that's quite all

3308
02:07:27,750 --> 02:07:25,040
right i wanted to give each i

3309
02:07:29,430 --> 02:07:27,760
missed i i missed in my notes to do this

3310
02:07:31,109 --> 02:07:29,440
for each guest and i'm gonna

3311
02:07:33,669 --> 02:07:31,119
see if i can't get them to do that you

3312
02:07:36,390 --> 02:07:33,679
know i missed it with mr randall and uh

3313
02:07:37,589 --> 02:07:36,400
well mr corf as well probably but you

3314
02:07:40,069 --> 02:07:37,599
know we can we can

3315
02:07:41,750 --> 02:07:40,079
probably uh i'm hopeful that we could do

3316
02:07:43,430 --> 02:07:41,760
some sort of panel show because i think

3317
02:07:44,709 --> 02:07:43,440
that would be amazing and be well

3318
02:07:46,709 --> 02:07:44,719
attended and i hope that you will

3319
02:07:48,709 --> 02:07:46,719
participate in that if we can get

3320
02:07:51,270 --> 02:07:48,719
everybody's schedules to uh to jive

3321
02:07:52,629 --> 02:07:51,280
help me and come in absolutely and i

3322
02:07:54,470 --> 02:07:52,639
want to thank you once again

3323
02:07:56,310 --> 02:07:54,480
it's it's rare that we get a guest of

3324
02:07:57,990 --> 02:07:56,320
your caliber and status and

3325
02:07:59,350 --> 02:07:58,000
it's been a pleasure so i'm going to

3326
02:08:00,470 --> 02:07:59,360
throw you i'm going to throw you out of

3327
02:08:02,149 --> 02:08:00,480
here there's nothing you need to do

3328
02:08:03,109 --> 02:08:02,159
except close out your browser and you'll

3329
02:08:04,709 --> 02:08:03,119
be good to go

3330
02:08:05,910 --> 02:08:04,719
otherwise you'll stay in my backstage

3331
02:08:07,669 --> 02:08:05,920
we're going to do an intermission and

3332
02:08:09,669 --> 02:08:07,679
then i'm going to have like a discussion

3333
02:08:11,589 --> 02:08:09,679
with the audience for the next hour or

3334
02:08:14,470 --> 02:08:11,599
so well have fun

3335
02:08:15,750 --> 02:08:14,480
but okay i need that all right for the

3336
02:08:17,669 --> 02:08:15,760
evening

3337
02:08:19,510 --> 02:08:17,679
all right thanks mr schmidt you have a

3338
02:08:22,550 --> 02:08:19,520
good evening all right bye-bye

3339
02:08:24,470 --> 02:08:22,560
my pleasure wow what a great evening

3340
02:08:26,229 --> 02:08:24,480
this has been friends so

3341
02:08:27,589 --> 02:08:26,239
this is what i'm saying it's just been

3342
02:08:31,030 --> 02:08:27,599
like ping pong

3343
02:08:33,030 --> 02:08:31,040
back and forth and uh you know we hear

3344
02:08:33,510 --> 02:08:33,040
from the skeptical side and then we hear

3345
02:08:38,149 --> 02:08:33,520
from

3346
02:08:40,310 --> 02:08:38,159
uh more of the uh believer side

3347
02:08:41,270 --> 02:08:40,320
and i can't say i disagree with mr

3348
02:08:43,430 --> 02:08:41,280
schmidt

3349
02:08:45,750 --> 02:08:43,440
uh you know when he talks about that the

3350
02:08:47,270 --> 02:08:45,760
volume of work that he has done

3351
02:08:49,270 --> 02:08:47,280
i mean the guy has flown all over the

3352
02:08:51,510 --> 02:08:49,280
country at his own expense driven all

3353
02:08:54,069 --> 02:08:51,520
over the country his own expense

3354
02:08:55,750 --> 02:08:54,079
just trying to get to the witnesses

3355
02:08:58,550 --> 02:08:55,760
trying to get to

3356
02:09:00,629 --> 02:08:58,560
uh what it is that actually happened

3357
02:09:01,990 --> 02:09:00,639
here

3358
02:09:05,270 --> 02:09:02,000
what it is that actually happened not

3359
02:09:08,629 --> 02:09:05,280
here but in roswell in 1947

3360
02:09:10,709 --> 02:09:08,639
it's been an enduring mystery for years

3361
02:09:12,229 --> 02:09:10,719
and it's uh just one of those great

3362
02:09:16,229 --> 02:09:12,239
mysteries

3363
02:09:19,350 --> 02:09:16,239
i'm hopeful that someday a smoking gun

3364
02:09:22,310 --> 02:09:19,360
is going to come and prove

3365
02:09:23,109 --> 02:09:22,320
definitively exactly what happened and

3366
02:09:26,790 --> 02:09:23,119
it will be

3367
02:09:28,550 --> 02:09:26,800
such an amazing thing if that happens

3368
02:09:31,030 --> 02:09:28,560
and also

3369
02:09:32,229 --> 02:09:31,040
sort of end the debate because i think

3370
02:09:34,790 --> 02:09:32,239
eventually some

3371
02:09:36,310 --> 02:09:34,800
evidence is going to surface that will

3372
02:09:41,189 --> 02:09:36,320
be

3373
02:09:43,430 --> 02:09:41,199
that

3374
02:09:45,430 --> 02:09:43,440
so friends uh we're going to take a

3375
02:09:46,709 --> 02:09:45,440
short intermission here and then we're

3376
02:09:50,069 --> 02:09:46,719
going to return

3377
02:09:54,310 --> 02:09:50,079
and uh we will continue in

3378
02:09:57,430 --> 02:09:54,320
uh in a discussion about these events

3379
02:09:58,629 --> 02:09:57,440
so friends i will literally be back in

3380
02:10:01,270 --> 02:09:58,639
just a few minutes but i

3381
02:10:03,189 --> 02:10:01,280
uh gotta go check on something here in

3382
02:10:05,589 --> 02:10:03,199
the home front real quickly

3383
02:10:07,189 --> 02:10:05,599
and uh get a caffeinated beverage

3384
02:10:08,950 --> 02:10:07,199
because it's been a long day for me and

3385
02:10:09,669 --> 02:10:08,960
then i want to give some time for the

3386
02:10:13,430 --> 02:10:09,679
live chat

3387
02:10:16,470 --> 02:10:13,440
to just have a discussion about roswell

3388
02:10:30,790 --> 02:10:16,480
or really anything else so friends

3389
02:10:35,940 --> 02:10:35,470
[Applause]

3390
02:10:42,450 --> 02:10:35,950
[Music]

3391
02:10:45,160 --> 02:10:42,460
[Applause]

3392
02:11:22,830 --> 02:10:45,170
[Music]

3393
02:11:22,840 --> 02:11:31,390
so

3394
02:11:51,290 --> 02:11:38,970
[Music]

3395
02:12:05,280 --> 02:11:54,040
[Applause]

3396
02:13:18,790 --> 02:12:36,410
[Music]

3397
02:13:24,870 --> 02:13:22,310
okay friends and we are back uh

3398
02:13:26,629 --> 02:13:24,880
i wanted to uh i don't want to keep mr

3399
02:13:29,669 --> 02:13:26,639
smith for another hour

3400
02:13:31,030 --> 02:13:29,679
uh but i wanted to give some time for

3401
02:13:34,790 --> 02:13:31,040
the live chat

3402
02:13:38,870 --> 02:13:34,800
um and see how everybody's feeling

3403
02:13:42,870 --> 02:13:38,880
uh about both roswell or anything else

3404
02:13:46,950 --> 02:13:42,880
um boy i keep going back and forth

3405
02:13:49,189 --> 02:13:46,960
you know and when we finish this series

3406
02:13:51,350 --> 02:13:49,199
i'm gonna have a lot of work to do

3407
02:13:53,350 --> 02:13:51,360
because i decided that i'm going to go

3408
02:13:56,390 --> 02:13:53,360
witness by witness

3409
02:13:59,669 --> 02:13:56,400
through all the testimony

3410
02:14:00,629 --> 02:13:59,679
in every book and i've got most of them

3411
02:14:04,629 --> 02:14:00,639
already

3412
02:14:07,270 --> 02:14:04,639
may have to get a few more and uh

3413
02:14:09,350 --> 02:14:07,280
you know i think the back and forth

3414
02:14:11,510 --> 02:14:09,360
issues with

3415
02:14:13,189 --> 02:14:11,520
one author saying the witness said this

3416
02:14:15,669 --> 02:14:13,199
and then another author saying

3417
02:14:17,830 --> 02:14:15,679
not really or he didn't say that or he

3418
02:14:20,390 --> 02:14:17,840
retracted that

3419
02:14:21,910 --> 02:14:20,400
all these things need to be put in one

3420
02:14:25,030 --> 02:14:21,920
place

3421
02:14:27,030 --> 02:14:25,040
so that we can try to get to the truth

3422
02:14:28,790 --> 02:14:27,040
behind each of the witnesses and until

3423
02:14:32,149 --> 02:14:28,800
somebody does that

3424
02:14:34,550 --> 02:14:32,159
this ping pong game of back and forth

3425
02:14:36,709 --> 02:14:34,560
they said this no they didn't uh you

3426
02:14:40,310 --> 02:14:36,719
know it's going to continue

3427
02:14:42,709 --> 02:14:40,320
and i thought it would be helpful if

3428
02:14:44,470 --> 02:14:42,719
we go through each witness or each

3429
02:14:46,709 --> 02:14:44,480
significant witness

3430
02:14:49,189 --> 02:14:46,719
and even the secondhand witnesses the

3431
02:14:52,390 --> 02:14:49,199
children of the people that were there

3432
02:14:53,910 --> 02:14:52,400
um yeah i think it would be important

3433
02:14:56,390 --> 02:14:53,920
it's important work that needs to be

3434
02:15:00,470 --> 02:14:56,400
done i don't see anybody else doing it

3435
02:15:05,430 --> 02:15:03,189
not lately you know back in the blob

3436
02:15:07,030 --> 02:15:05,440
days people would write blogs on roswell

3437
02:15:08,470 --> 02:15:07,040
and go back and forth with the witness

3438
02:15:09,990 --> 02:15:08,480
first said this then they said this

3439
02:15:12,149 --> 02:15:10,000
later

3440
02:15:13,109 --> 02:15:12,159
spooky's asking next guest i have a few

3441
02:15:14,870 --> 02:15:13,119
surprises

3442
02:15:16,229 --> 02:15:14,880
i'm going to leave it at that but we are

3443
02:15:19,830 --> 02:15:16,239
going to get a few

3444
02:15:22,709 --> 02:15:19,840
probably two more um people

3445
02:15:24,390 --> 02:15:22,719
that are going to speak about their

3446
02:15:28,069 --> 02:15:24,400
beliefs about roswell

3447
02:15:31,030 --> 02:15:28,079
and what it is that happened um

3448
02:15:33,589 --> 02:15:31,040
and i want to include all even even some

3449
02:15:36,229 --> 02:15:33,599
more esoteric

3450
02:15:37,990 --> 02:15:36,239
i don't want to say less credible but

3451
02:15:43,270 --> 02:15:38,000
you know there are some other

3452
02:15:46,629 --> 02:15:44,950
there is an account of a nurse who

3453
02:15:48,870 --> 02:15:46,639
telepathically communicated with the

3454
02:15:51,350 --> 02:15:48,880
live alien i'm trying to get that author

3455
02:15:51,990 --> 02:15:51,360
and a few others because i think it's

3456
02:15:53,430 --> 02:15:52,000
important

3457
02:15:55,669 --> 02:15:53,440
if we're going to do this series to

3458
02:15:58,629 --> 02:15:55,679
include everyone's uh

3459
02:15:59,430 --> 02:15:58,639
everyone's testimony everyone's research

3460
02:16:02,629 --> 02:15:59,440
or

3461
02:16:05,589 --> 02:16:02,639
belief of events

3462
02:16:06,870 --> 02:16:05,599
surrounding roswell and put it all in

3463
02:16:10,390 --> 02:16:06,880
one place

3464
02:16:12,310 --> 02:16:10,400
right stream shared

3465
02:16:13,910 --> 02:16:12,320
thank you very much smash that like

3466
02:16:17,589 --> 02:16:13,920
button oh

3467
02:16:20,229 --> 02:16:17,599
i didn't do

3468
02:16:22,470 --> 02:16:20,239
i'm gonna check in real quickly with our

3469
02:16:24,470 --> 02:16:22,480
uh

3470
02:16:28,550 --> 02:16:24,480
one second friends i'm gonna check in

3471
02:16:32,950 --> 02:16:30,950
both our patreon and our paypal i'm

3472
02:16:35,349 --> 02:16:32,960
going to check in with

3473
02:16:36,950 --> 02:16:35,359
um for those that are unaware we have a

3474
02:16:38,790 --> 02:16:36,960
patreon just search my name

3475
02:16:40,870 --> 02:16:38,800
stephencambien on patreon you'll be sure

3476
02:16:43,509 --> 02:16:40,880
to find us or go to the about section

3477
02:16:45,110 --> 02:16:43,519
of our channel here and you too can help

3478
02:16:48,389 --> 02:16:45,120
me produce more shows

3479
02:16:51,990 --> 02:16:50,549
every dollar that goes into the patreon

3480
02:16:54,790 --> 02:16:52,000
goes back into

3481
02:16:55,349 --> 02:16:54,800
uh into the show i'm happy to say that

3482
02:16:58,709 --> 02:16:55,359
uh

3483
02:17:00,870 --> 02:16:58,719
i had a green screen but i did not have

3484
02:17:02,150 --> 02:17:00,880
uh adequate lighting for the green

3485
02:17:03,990 --> 02:17:02,160
screen to work right

3486
02:17:05,270 --> 02:17:04,000
so i used some of the patreon money got

3487
02:17:08,709 --> 02:17:05,280
better lighting and now the

3488
02:17:10,709 --> 02:17:08,719
green screen is i'd say it's working but

3489
02:17:11,429 --> 02:17:10,719
it's not working a hundred percent it's

3490
02:17:14,469 --> 02:17:11,439
working like

3491
02:17:15,270 --> 02:17:14,479
95 or 98 there's still a little bit of

3492
02:17:17,030 --> 02:17:15,280
weird res

3493
02:17:18,549 --> 02:17:17,040
so i think i need one more light or i

3494
02:17:21,030 --> 02:17:18,559
don't know this

3495
02:17:23,030 --> 02:17:21,040
blue green screen i'm sorry has been the

3496
02:17:23,830 --> 02:17:23,040
bane of my existence for about a week

3497
02:17:26,950 --> 02:17:23,840
now

3498
02:17:29,349 --> 02:17:26,960
because i'm a little uh ocd

3499
02:17:31,349 --> 02:17:29,359
and i can't stand it when i see a show

3500
02:17:34,070 --> 02:17:31,359
that uses a green screen

3501
02:17:34,469 --> 02:17:34,080
but the person is like rezzed out or you

3502
02:17:36,790 --> 02:17:34,479
know

3503
02:17:37,830 --> 02:17:36,800
where there's like it just looks

3504
02:17:39,429 --> 02:17:37,840
terrible to me

3505
02:17:41,830 --> 02:17:39,439
so i'm not going to use that green

3506
02:17:43,429 --> 02:17:41,840
screen until i've got it as close to

3507
02:17:46,230 --> 02:17:43,439
broadcast quality as

3508
02:17:47,190 --> 02:17:46,240
i could possibly get it that might need

3509
02:17:48,469 --> 02:17:47,200
a few more lights

3510
02:17:50,230 --> 02:17:48,479
all of these things are purchased from

3511
02:17:52,309 --> 02:17:50,240
either a paypal

3512
02:17:53,429 --> 02:17:52,319
donations that again is in the about

3513
02:17:57,270 --> 02:17:53,439
section or in

3514
02:17:59,190 --> 02:17:57,280
our or you know every first of the month

3515
02:18:01,830 --> 02:17:59,200
you know i get the hundred dollars from

3516
02:18:04,150 --> 02:18:01,840
patreon or whatever it is right now

3517
02:18:06,070 --> 02:18:04,160
um so there's two ways that you can help

3518
02:18:08,549 --> 02:18:06,080
us the first of course

3519
02:18:09,669 --> 02:18:08,559
costs nothing and that is to like

3520
02:18:11,990 --> 02:18:09,679
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3521
02:18:13,750 --> 02:18:12,000
subscribe and share hit the notification

3522
02:18:18,709 --> 02:18:13,760
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3523
02:18:20,629 --> 02:18:18,719
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3524
02:18:22,389 --> 02:18:20,639
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3525
02:18:24,870 --> 02:18:22,399
your social media to tweet them

3526
02:18:26,790 --> 02:18:24,880
to share them on facebook and i always

3527
02:18:30,709 --> 02:18:26,800
tell people this please do

3528
02:18:32,469 --> 02:18:30,719
um please do like comment and subscribe

3529
02:18:33,589 --> 02:18:32,479
but also send our channel address to

3530
02:18:36,309 --> 02:18:33,599
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3531
02:18:38,389 --> 02:18:36,319
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3532
02:18:39,990 --> 02:18:38,399
some friends that will

3533
02:18:41,509 --> 02:18:40,000
probably enjoy the content that we

3534
02:18:44,070 --> 02:18:41,519
produce here too

3535
02:18:45,990 --> 02:18:44,080
so you'd be doing us both favor by

3536
02:18:48,070 --> 02:18:46,000
copying our channel address and sending

3537
02:18:50,629 --> 02:18:48,080
it to some of your friends

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3539
02:18:53,349 --> 02:18:52,559
to grow our audience so it's a win-win

3540
02:18:55,830 --> 02:18:53,359
for everybody

3541
02:18:56,389 --> 02:18:55,840
and liking commenting sharing our

3542
02:18:58,790 --> 02:18:56,399
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3543
02:19:00,150 --> 02:18:58,800
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3544
02:19:01,910 --> 02:19:00,160
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3545
02:19:03,509 --> 02:19:01,920
support us to produce more quality

3546
02:19:06,709 --> 02:19:03,519
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3547
02:19:08,070 --> 02:19:06,719
um then

3548
02:19:09,910 --> 02:19:08,080
we would appreciate your financial

3549
02:19:12,230 --> 02:19:09,920
support to continue the show

3550
02:19:14,469 --> 02:19:12,240
uh you could do a paypal donation or by

3551
02:19:17,830 --> 02:19:14,479
becoming a patreon supporter

3552
02:19:18,790 --> 02:19:17,840
um and i check in every show with both

3553
02:19:22,309 --> 02:19:18,800
the paypal

3554
02:19:24,790 --> 02:19:22,319
and the patreon and if uh

3555
02:19:25,830 --> 02:19:24,800
if you add a note if you make a paypal

3556
02:19:29,270 --> 02:19:25,840
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3557
02:19:32,549 --> 02:19:29,280
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3558
02:19:36,150 --> 02:19:32,559
uh shout out and thank you live on

3559
02:19:39,030 --> 02:19:36,160
air if you make a donation while we're

3560
02:19:40,790 --> 02:19:39,040
not live then we shout it out on the

3561
02:19:44,309 --> 02:19:40,800
very next show

3562
02:19:46,549 --> 02:19:44,319
so i want to thank our latest uh paypal

3563
02:19:48,790 --> 02:19:46,559
contributor is jill dee thank you so

3564
02:19:51,990 --> 02:19:48,800
much jill for a kind and generous day

3565
02:19:52,950 --> 02:19:52,000
donation of 20 and joel writes this is

3566
02:19:55,910 --> 02:19:52,960
jill d

3567
02:19:56,950 --> 02:19:55,920
moore puppets and parody videos fund

3568
02:19:59,270 --> 02:19:56,960
yeah uh

3569
02:20:00,309 --> 02:19:59,280
thank you jill d i really appreciate

3570
02:20:02,150 --> 02:20:00,319
your generosity

3571
02:20:03,990 --> 02:20:02,160
your support of our show you've been

3572
02:20:04,630 --> 02:20:04,000
here in the live chat and supporting our

3573
02:20:07,429 --> 02:20:04,640
show

3574
02:20:09,270 --> 02:20:07,439
especially with a couple of bucks 20 of

3575
02:20:10,710 --> 02:20:09,280
them that's quite a generous donation

3576
02:20:12,790 --> 02:20:10,720
thank you very much

3577
02:20:14,070 --> 02:20:12,800
uh and yeah i'm gonna buy some more

3578
02:20:15,270 --> 02:20:14,080
puppet supplies because we're gonna

3579
02:20:18,389 --> 02:20:15,280
expand this

3580
02:20:19,110 --> 02:20:18,399
comic disclosure series i've already got

3581
02:20:21,990 --> 02:20:19,120
two new

3582
02:20:23,590 --> 02:20:22,000
uh puppets ready uh they're gonna be

3583
02:20:25,990 --> 02:20:23,600
added to the clowns

3584
02:20:28,790 --> 02:20:26,000
and the and the rabbit it's gonna be

3585
02:20:31,910 --> 02:20:28,800
we're gonna expand the production here

3586
02:20:35,590 --> 02:20:31,920
so uh thank you very much jill d

3587
02:20:36,870 --> 02:20:35,600
uh we do appreciate your generosity and

3588
02:20:39,590 --> 02:20:36,880
your support of the show

3589
02:20:40,070 --> 02:20:39,600
i'm gonna check in with patreon.com and

3590
02:20:44,230 --> 02:20:40,080
see

3591
02:20:46,630 --> 02:20:44,240
um if we have any new patreon

3592
02:20:48,230 --> 02:20:46,640
patrons excuse me any new patreon

3593
02:20:51,429 --> 02:20:48,240
supporters to shout out

3594
02:20:55,590 --> 02:20:53,830
and it looks like uh well we've had a

3595
02:20:57,270 --> 02:20:55,600
few delete their donations

3596
02:20:58,870 --> 02:20:57,280
and i understand it's a very difficult

3597
02:21:01,670 --> 02:20:58,880
time right now so

3598
02:21:02,870 --> 02:21:01,680
uh you know hey if uh if you got to

3599
02:21:04,790 --> 02:21:02,880
delete your pledge

3600
02:21:06,150 --> 02:21:04,800
i get it it's a difficult time for

3601
02:21:10,070 --> 02:21:06,160
everyone right now

3602
02:21:13,910 --> 02:21:11,830
but we haven't had any new patreon

3603
02:21:17,510 --> 02:21:13,920
supporters recently

3604
02:21:18,469 --> 02:21:17,520
uh so please do uh the patreon is a

3605
02:21:20,870 --> 02:21:18,479
dollar a month

3606
02:21:22,630 --> 02:21:20,880
or more you can set your own donation

3607
02:21:26,870 --> 02:21:22,640
monthly donation amount

3608
02:21:32,790 --> 02:21:26,880
uh every dollar is really appreciated

3609
02:21:36,710 --> 02:21:34,790
pride magic says green screen problems

3610
02:21:38,070 --> 02:21:36,720
are real i'm not sure but i think you

3611
02:21:40,550 --> 02:21:38,080
may be one of those people that's all

3612
02:21:42,870 --> 02:21:40,560
res down sometimes like it kind of works

3613
02:21:44,790 --> 02:21:42,880
right and no offense it's just i'm so

3614
02:21:47,030 --> 02:21:44,800
ocd that i can't

3615
02:21:49,349 --> 02:21:47,040
i couldn't i couldn't do a show like

3616
02:21:51,110 --> 02:21:49,359
that it would bother the hell out of me

3617
02:21:52,710 --> 02:21:51,120
or maybe it's somebody else i don't i

3618
02:21:53,349 --> 02:21:52,720
don't i don't think it's you pregnant

3619
02:21:56,790 --> 02:21:53,359
but i've seen

3620
02:21:58,070 --> 02:21:56,800
a couple of shows i'm sure and i don't

3621
02:22:01,190 --> 02:21:58,080
watch a show but uh

3622
02:22:06,150 --> 02:22:04,469
unidork unidork is

3623
02:22:08,070 --> 02:22:06,160
like it's like he doesn't even try to

3624
02:22:11,030 --> 02:22:08,080
make the green screen work it's just

3625
02:22:12,389 --> 02:22:11,040
all fuzzy and shitty and weird right i

3626
02:22:14,950 --> 02:22:12,399
don't like that

3627
02:22:16,710 --> 02:22:14,960
um and also i'd really like to do

3628
02:22:17,670 --> 02:22:16,720
animated backgrounds and stream yard

3629
02:22:21,349 --> 02:22:17,680
doesn't do that

3630
02:22:24,070 --> 02:22:21,359
so i'm gonna bag spooky

3631
02:22:25,910 --> 02:22:24,080
who knows a lot more about obs uh i'm

3632
02:22:26,469 --> 02:22:25,920
gonna beg spooky to help me figure out

3633
02:22:29,670 --> 02:22:26,479
how to get

3634
02:22:31,190 --> 02:22:29,680
obs to be a virtual camera and run the

3635
02:22:33,349 --> 02:22:31,200
green screen but let me use an

3636
02:22:35,030 --> 02:22:33,359
animated background and by the way i'm

3637
02:22:37,990 --> 02:22:35,040
fine i didn't know this but you really

3638
02:22:39,910 --> 02:22:38,000
have to buy a good animated background

3639
02:22:41,030 --> 02:22:39,920
uh i'm sure there's some free ones that

3640
02:22:43,429 --> 02:22:41,040
look okay

3641
02:22:45,510 --> 02:22:43,439
but the really good pro looking ones you

3642
02:22:48,070 --> 02:22:45,520
know they're thirty dollars or

3643
02:22:49,990 --> 02:22:48,080
fifty dollars i'm fine we can buy the

3644
02:22:52,230 --> 02:22:50,000
good animated background if i could get

3645
02:22:55,590 --> 02:22:52,240
animated backgrounds to work

3646
02:22:56,469 --> 02:22:55,600
the um the static animated background

3647
02:22:58,230 --> 02:22:56,479
looks fine

3648
02:23:00,469 --> 02:22:58,240
and that's just you know a graphic

3649
02:23:03,990 --> 02:23:00,479
behind you that doesn't move

3650
02:23:06,070 --> 02:23:04,000
i mean that looks fine but uh other

3651
02:23:09,030 --> 02:23:06,080
shows have the animated ones so i'm if

3652
02:23:12,230 --> 02:23:09,040
i'm going to deal with uh

3653
02:23:13,830 --> 02:23:12,240
if i'm going to deal with a green screen

3654
02:23:16,950 --> 02:23:13,840
and getting that green screen working i

3655
02:23:19,110 --> 02:23:16,960
want to be able to use the animated

3656
02:23:21,349 --> 02:23:19,120
and flip ask i'll look into patreon do

3657
02:23:23,830 --> 02:23:21,359
you take crypto donations i don't have

3658
02:23:25,030 --> 02:23:23,840
a crypto wallet currently and not a real

3659
02:23:31,990 --> 02:23:25,040
big

3660
02:23:33,910 --> 02:23:32,000
back in the day i i um mined

3661
02:23:36,150 --> 02:23:33,920
early before anybody knew what crypto

3662
02:23:36,630 --> 02:23:36,160
was i was into crypto mining but as soon

3663
02:23:40,309 --> 02:23:36,640
as

3664
02:23:43,750 --> 02:23:40,319
uh it became near impossible to

3665
02:23:45,830 --> 02:23:43,760
mine because of the the thing with

3666
02:23:47,349 --> 02:23:45,840
crypto mining is like oh great i got a

3667
02:23:48,309 --> 02:23:47,359
hundred dollars worth of bitcoin this

3668
02:23:51,190 --> 02:23:48,319
month but my

3669
02:23:53,110 --> 02:23:51,200
electric bill was 185 dollars you know

3670
02:23:54,230 --> 02:23:53,120
it just wasn't a gain for me so i

3671
02:23:56,150 --> 02:23:54,240
stopped trying

3672
02:23:57,990 --> 02:23:56,160
and there reached a point very quickly

3673
02:24:00,309 --> 02:23:58,000
where that happened it was for a while i

3674
02:24:02,309 --> 02:24:00,319
could make 150 or 200 hours a month with

3675
02:24:05,750 --> 02:24:02,319
the mining rig that i had

3676
02:24:06,550 --> 02:24:05,760
but and but eventually the electric bill

3677
02:24:08,950 --> 02:24:06,560
and the

3678
02:24:10,309 --> 02:24:08,960
yeah so i'm not really a big fan of of

3679
02:24:12,150 --> 02:24:10,319
crypto

3680
02:24:15,510 --> 02:24:12,160
but we're a big fan of paypal and all

3681
02:24:18,950 --> 02:24:15,520
that other stuff

3682
02:24:22,150 --> 02:24:18,960
yeah i'm silly not to be holding bitcoin

3683
02:24:25,030 --> 02:24:22,160
i like real estate spooky

3684
02:24:26,550 --> 02:24:25,040
for an investment and so i'm looking for

3685
02:24:29,270 --> 02:24:26,560
i'm hoping that uh

3686
02:24:31,030 --> 02:24:29,280
maybe sometime this year we're gonna

3687
02:24:33,270 --> 02:24:31,040
find another piece of land

3688
02:24:35,670 --> 02:24:33,280
because land never goes down in value it

3689
02:24:39,429 --> 02:24:35,680
only goes up i don't know about crypto

3690
02:24:41,590 --> 02:24:39,439
uh and also uh spooky you were on that

3691
02:24:42,550 --> 02:24:41,600
stream with alien scientists i got bad

3692
02:24:46,550 --> 02:24:42,560
news for you

3693
02:24:50,630 --> 02:24:46,560
uh as soon as quantum computers become

3694
02:24:53,750 --> 02:24:50,640
mainstream in the next i'd say 10 years

3695
02:24:56,230 --> 02:24:53,760
that blockchains go away bro it's not a

3696
02:24:57,750 --> 02:24:56,240
good quantum computer could destroy

3697
02:25:01,990 --> 02:24:57,760
cryptocurrency in

3698
02:25:05,990 --> 02:25:02,000
in a day so i'm not real big on it

3699
02:25:09,349 --> 02:25:07,830
oh thanks flip i appreciate that says no

3700
02:25:10,790 --> 02:25:09,359
worries i'll look into your patreon i

3701
02:25:12,870 --> 02:25:10,800
don't have a paypal either but love to

3702
02:25:16,870 --> 02:25:12,880
support your content

3703
02:25:20,469 --> 02:25:18,710
when pixley says just tuning in

3704
02:25:21,670 --> 02:25:20,479
listening from the start hope everyone

3705
02:25:24,469 --> 02:25:21,680
is well

3706
02:25:29,030 --> 02:25:24,479
yeah every everything is is good here

3707
02:25:33,510 --> 02:25:31,110
bitcoin too high to get in on dodge all

3708
02:25:35,429 --> 02:25:33,520
the way well now people are able to buy

3709
02:25:37,670 --> 02:25:35,439
get portions of coins like you could buy

3710
02:25:40,870 --> 02:25:37,680
1 100 of a bitcoin

3711
02:25:50,830 --> 02:25:40,880
now with the exchanges that they have

3712
02:25:54,790 --> 02:25:53,030
okay

3713
02:25:56,550 --> 02:25:54,800
yeah we i didn't really want to get too

3714
02:25:58,389 --> 02:25:56,560
far into that i don't think that

3715
02:26:00,309 --> 02:25:58,399
i think that he just considers i think

3716
02:26:02,630 --> 02:26:00,319
that mr schmidt just considers cal court

3717
02:26:05,750 --> 02:26:02,640
for the debunker that doesn't

3718
02:26:07,030 --> 02:26:05,760
do the work you know like you heard what

3719
02:26:08,950 --> 02:26:07,040
he was saying like you don't

3720
02:26:11,270 --> 02:26:08,960
uh you didn't interview the witnesses i

3721
02:26:15,830 --> 02:26:11,280
did you didn't fly out to them i did

3722
02:26:17,349 --> 02:26:15,840
and i guess that's a valid criticism um

3723
02:26:19,030 --> 02:26:17,359
and somebody else says how sure are you

3724
02:26:20,950 --> 02:26:19,040
that kalkhorf is inside of

3725
02:26:22,550 --> 02:26:20,960
some kind of philip clay's debunker

3726
02:26:23,510 --> 02:26:22,560
seems like he discredits absolutely

3727
02:26:25,510 --> 02:26:23,520
everyone

3728
02:26:27,030 --> 02:26:25,520
which sure seems suspect sending you a

3729
02:26:29,190 --> 02:26:27,040
paypal here soon

3730
02:26:30,150 --> 02:26:29,200
thank you i appreciate that and i'll uh

3731
02:26:32,309 --> 02:26:30,160
continue to monitor

3732
02:26:33,349 --> 02:26:32,319
that if you do send it while we're still

3733
02:26:36,389 --> 02:26:33,359
on air

3734
02:26:36,950 --> 02:26:36,399
and i don't notice it let me know and i

3735
02:26:43,670 --> 02:26:36,960
will

3736
02:26:47,590 --> 02:26:45,429
your phone on if you want the beef on

3737
02:26:50,790 --> 02:26:47,600
cal you need to talk to bidney

3738
02:26:54,309 --> 02:26:50,800
david bitney okay um you know

3739
02:26:57,429 --> 02:26:54,319
listen i get it mr corp

3740
02:26:58,790 --> 02:26:57,439
you could google and you'll see that

3741
02:27:00,830 --> 02:26:58,800
there are

3742
02:27:03,510 --> 02:27:00,840
whole websites dedicated to trashing

3743
02:27:05,670 --> 02:27:03,520
kalkur

3744
02:27:06,790 --> 02:27:05,680
most of that or a lot of that at least

3745
02:27:09,990 --> 02:27:06,800
is run by

3746
02:27:11,590 --> 02:27:10,000
billy meyer sex cult members who did not

3747
02:27:13,030 --> 02:27:11,600
like that he went undercover in the

3748
02:27:16,550 --> 02:27:13,040
billy myers sex cult

3749
02:27:19,110 --> 02:27:16,560
and busted them for being total frauds

3750
02:27:20,150 --> 02:27:19,120
and he's made a lot of other enemies uh

3751
02:27:23,830 --> 02:27:20,160
throughout his career

3752
02:27:27,270 --> 02:27:23,840
sort of uh bursting people's balloons

3753
02:27:29,030 --> 02:27:27,280
right um

3754
02:27:30,630 --> 02:27:29,040
and you saw how contentious things are

3755
02:27:33,270 --> 02:27:30,640
between him and uh

3756
02:27:34,790 --> 02:27:33,280
mr kevin randle if we do have this panel

3757
02:27:36,230 --> 02:27:34,800
show i have a feeling that the greatest

3758
02:27:37,429 --> 02:27:36,240
challenge is going to be to just try to

3759
02:27:39,190 --> 02:27:37,439
keep those two from yelling and

3760
02:27:41,910 --> 02:27:39,200
screaming at each other or getting

3761
02:27:43,510 --> 02:27:41,920
hot and heated i'm hoping that everybody

3762
02:27:45,510 --> 02:27:43,520
will be able to keep things civil

3763
02:27:48,070 --> 02:27:45,520
and if not i got a mute button for each

3764
02:27:51,110 --> 02:27:48,080
guest i'm just going to mute people

3765
02:27:53,349 --> 02:27:51,120
um use those

3766
02:27:55,030 --> 02:27:53,359
paracast yeah i the name sounds familiar

3767
02:27:58,070 --> 02:27:55,040
to me ufo not i'll

3768
02:28:03,590 --> 02:27:58,080
i'll look into it

3769
02:28:06,790 --> 02:28:05,510
full player says i just hopped over from

3770
02:28:08,710 --> 02:28:06,800
walter bosley stream

3771
02:28:10,150 --> 02:28:08,720
uh truth seekers he just finished his

3772
02:28:11,830 --> 02:28:10,160
weekly stream

3773
02:28:13,510 --> 02:28:11,840
you know i gotta start trying to find

3774
02:28:16,230 --> 02:28:13,520
people's schedules if they have

3775
02:28:17,990 --> 02:28:16,240
scheduled streams so i don't step over

3776
02:28:20,230 --> 02:28:18,000
people like bosley or others

3777
02:28:22,230 --> 02:28:20,240
i mean we do our best here but sometimes

3778
02:28:23,590 --> 02:28:22,240
it goes by when the guests can do it

3779
02:28:25,349 --> 02:28:23,600
and i just got to do it whenever the

3780
02:28:28,469 --> 02:28:25,359
guests can do it so

3781
02:28:30,309 --> 02:28:28,479
um you know like i think we uh i try to

3782
02:28:33,510 --> 02:28:30,319
avoid thursday nights

3783
02:28:35,670 --> 02:28:33,520
uh because of the paranormal hood guys

3784
02:28:36,790 --> 02:28:35,680
but once in a while guests can only do

3785
02:28:39,429 --> 02:28:36,800
it on thursday or

3786
02:28:40,630 --> 02:28:39,439
you know it is what it is and also just

3787
02:28:43,750 --> 02:28:40,640
time and

3788
02:28:46,710 --> 02:28:43,760
whatever uh sometimes i just gotta do

3789
02:28:49,110 --> 02:28:46,720
what i gotta do uh and and you know i

3790
02:28:50,870 --> 02:28:49,120
don't mean to step over other people

3791
02:28:52,550 --> 02:28:50,880
and also you know sometimes that gets

3792
02:28:54,309 --> 02:28:52,560
weird like uh

3793
02:28:56,469 --> 02:28:54,319
i can't remember but there was some show

3794
02:28:58,630 --> 02:28:56,479
host that was like hey uh

3795
02:28:59,670 --> 02:28:58,640
you shouldn't stream when i'm streaming

3796
02:29:02,389 --> 02:28:59,680
and i went well

3797
02:29:02,950 --> 02:29:02,399
yeah okay but uh you know i gotta i

3798
02:29:05,030 --> 02:29:02,960
gotta

3799
02:29:06,230 --> 02:29:05,040
i don't have a set schedule i wish that

3800
02:29:09,110 --> 02:29:06,240
i could but

3801
02:29:10,469 --> 02:29:09,120
just things are very busy and weird here

3802
02:29:13,030 --> 02:29:10,479
but for those who don't know

3803
02:29:14,230 --> 02:29:13,040
uh you know i'm simultaneously

3804
02:29:17,670 --> 02:29:14,240
developing

3805
02:29:19,670 --> 02:29:17,680
computer products and doing this show

3806
02:29:21,510 --> 02:29:19,680
and if you know the computer products

3807
02:29:23,590 --> 02:29:21,520
are still being developed so there's no

3808
02:29:28,070 --> 02:29:23,600
money there yet it's like

3809
02:29:31,990 --> 02:29:28,080
in in you know startup mode

3810
02:29:33,429 --> 02:29:32,000
no income um but i'm very busy with that

3811
02:29:35,190 --> 02:29:33,439
stuff and i keep

3812
02:29:37,349 --> 02:29:35,200
telling myself at least that i really

3813
02:29:39,110 --> 02:29:37,359
have to

3814
02:29:40,710 --> 02:29:39,120
spend more time with the computer end of

3815
02:29:42,550 --> 02:29:40,720
things than i'm working on because i

3816
02:29:45,830 --> 02:29:42,560
think

3817
02:29:47,030 --> 02:29:45,840
it's important you know and

3818
02:29:48,950 --> 02:29:47,040
there's some other things that i've been

3819
02:29:49,429 --> 02:29:48,960
doing lately that are taking time away

3820
02:29:54,469 --> 02:29:49,439
from

3821
02:29:59,510 --> 02:29:57,349
ideally this show should at the very

3822
02:30:03,030 --> 02:29:59,520
least be a self-supporting hobby

3823
02:30:04,630 --> 02:30:03,040
and not uh you know

3824
02:30:06,389 --> 02:30:04,640
and i'm not really intending to make

3825
02:30:08,950 --> 02:30:06,399
this a full-time job but if it turned

3826
02:30:12,070 --> 02:30:08,960
into that i'd be very happy doing this

3827
02:30:14,309 --> 02:30:12,080
every day but in the meantime you know

3828
02:30:15,830 --> 02:30:14,319
i've got to do oh spooky says his

3829
02:30:18,230 --> 02:30:15,840
hardware stuff is real neat

3830
02:30:19,590 --> 02:30:18,240
yeah we're going to have a credit card

3831
02:30:21,990 --> 02:30:19,600
sized motherboard

3832
02:30:24,070 --> 02:30:22,000
in our computer that we'll be selling

3833
02:30:24,870 --> 02:30:24,080
that will come with my own version of

3834
02:30:27,590 --> 02:30:24,880
linux called

3835
02:30:28,070 --> 02:30:27,600
altos the alternative operating system

3836
02:30:31,990 --> 02:30:28,080
or

3837
02:30:33,990 --> 02:30:32,000
a linux terminal on steroids but uh

3838
02:30:35,590 --> 02:30:34,000
boy that's been taking a lot of time i

3839
02:30:37,750 --> 02:30:35,600
have spooky i have one

3840
02:30:40,070 --> 02:30:37,760
of those boards with altos up and

3841
02:30:42,630 --> 02:30:40,080
running i just gotta figure out a case

3842
02:30:44,389 --> 02:30:42,640
and as soon as i figure out a case uh we

3843
02:30:49,590 --> 02:30:44,399
go to

3844
02:30:51,110 --> 02:30:49,600
going to be making those by the 100 in

3845
02:30:54,150 --> 02:30:51,120
other words i'm going to make

3846
02:30:54,630 --> 02:30:54,160
100 computers in a batch order all the

3847
02:30:56,630 --> 02:30:54,640
parts

3848
02:30:57,990 --> 02:30:56,640
put them all together and then hopefully

3849
02:31:01,670 --> 02:30:58,000
sell them

3850
02:31:04,950 --> 02:31:01,680
and that is going to be a very low cost

3851
02:31:06,550 --> 02:31:04,960
entry point um i don't know retail will

3852
02:31:11,030 --> 02:31:06,560
be

3853
02:31:14,710 --> 02:31:11,040
500 or under probably a lot under that

3854
02:31:16,790 --> 02:31:14,720
uh like i think it was nolan

3855
02:31:18,790 --> 02:31:16,800
bushnell from atari who said it it's

3856
02:31:22,070 --> 02:31:18,800
gonna be a computer for the classes

3857
02:31:23,910 --> 02:31:22,080
or masses not the classes you know

3858
02:31:25,990 --> 02:31:23,920
not everybody has three thousand dollars

3859
02:31:27,510 --> 02:31:26,000
to buy an imac to make videos on

3860
02:31:29,349 --> 02:31:27,520
but if they could get an inexpensive

3861
02:31:32,710 --> 02:31:29,359
computer that was pretty capable

3862
02:31:42,550 --> 02:31:32,720
and had a really good operating system

3863
02:31:43,190 --> 02:31:42,560
i think that would be good spooky says

3864
02:31:46,070 --> 02:31:43,200
3d

3865
02:31:48,630 --> 02:31:46,080
print the case man i've been saying

3866
02:31:51,670 --> 02:31:48,640
spooky

3867
02:31:52,389 --> 02:31:51,680
that's all well and good but have you

3868
02:31:55,670 --> 02:31:52,399
ever

3869
02:31:58,389 --> 02:31:55,680
made 3d printed things because i have

3870
02:31:59,349 --> 02:31:58,399
and you know what ends up happening you

3871
02:32:01,510 --> 02:31:59,359
spend

3872
02:32:03,590 --> 02:32:01,520
3d printing sounds great it really does

3873
02:32:06,389 --> 02:32:03,600
it's like if you need a custom

3874
02:32:07,590 --> 02:32:06,399
anything made you design it in cad and

3875
02:32:11,030 --> 02:32:07,600
then you create it

3876
02:32:13,510 --> 02:32:11,040
with the 3d printer first problem

3877
02:32:14,309 --> 02:32:13,520
it would take i don't know depending on

3878
02:32:17,830 --> 02:32:14,319
the printer

3879
02:32:18,870 --> 02:32:17,840
one to 24 hours to print a p the case

3880
02:32:21,349 --> 02:32:18,880
for this thing

3881
02:32:23,750 --> 02:32:21,359
that's the first problem so you'd have

3882
02:32:24,950 --> 02:32:23,760
3d printers going 24 7 to try to make

3883
02:32:26,630 --> 02:32:24,960
100 cases

3884
02:32:28,389 --> 02:32:26,640
the second problem is a lot of people

3885
02:32:29,110 --> 02:32:28,399
don't know this but when you get a 3d

3886
02:32:31,270 --> 02:32:29,120
printed

3887
02:32:32,950 --> 02:32:31,280
thing it's not done you're gonna have to

3888
02:32:35,830 --> 02:32:32,960
sand it body putty it

3889
02:32:37,510 --> 02:32:35,840
paint it it's you know so i'm actually

3890
02:32:39,190 --> 02:32:37,520
looking into

3891
02:32:41,270 --> 02:32:39,200
a simpler method it's either going to be

3892
02:32:41,830 --> 02:32:41,280
an aluminum or a wooden case that's

3893
02:32:44,950 --> 02:32:41,840
painted

3894
02:32:49,190 --> 02:32:47,670
one or the other you know one way or the

3895
02:32:50,870 --> 02:32:49,200
other i'll get that

3896
02:32:52,389 --> 02:32:50,880
case done and be able to make these

3897
02:32:53,750 --> 02:32:52,399
computers i just have to be able to make

3898
02:32:57,110 --> 02:32:53,760
them by the 100

3899
02:32:59,670 --> 02:32:57,120
to start if things progress and

3900
02:33:01,110 --> 02:32:59,680
orders are more than i can handle making

3901
02:33:04,389 --> 02:33:01,120
these things by the 100

3902
02:33:07,190 --> 02:33:04,399
then we'll look into more

3903
02:33:09,190 --> 02:33:07,200
manufacturing options but because i'm

3904
02:33:10,950 --> 02:33:09,200
using off-the-shelf components we should

3905
02:33:12,309 --> 02:33:10,960
be able to just get somebody to make

3906
02:33:14,309 --> 02:33:12,319
this an aluminum case

3907
02:33:18,830 --> 02:33:14,319
if we get to the point where i have to

3908
02:33:24,230 --> 02:33:21,429
from know that's entirely possible i

3909
02:33:26,070 --> 02:33:24,240
hope that it happens i'll

3910
02:33:27,830 --> 02:33:26,080
i'll meet the challenges of making those

3911
02:33:29,429 --> 02:33:27,840
computers by the thousand when the time

3912
02:33:30,710 --> 02:33:29,439
comes but for right now i think making

3913
02:33:33,349 --> 02:33:30,720
them 100

3914
02:33:34,630 --> 02:33:33,359
or even 10 at a time while the orders

3915
02:33:37,750 --> 02:33:34,640
are coming in we'll see

3916
02:33:39,349 --> 02:33:37,760
what demand there is but i do

3917
02:33:42,150 --> 02:33:39,359
have some good news in the form of

3918
02:33:44,469 --> 02:33:42,160
someone that used to

3919
02:33:46,150 --> 02:33:44,479
work exclusively selling computers to

3920
02:33:49,030 --> 02:33:46,160
educational market

3921
02:33:50,150 --> 02:33:49,040
and he and i had a few meetings and you

3922
02:33:52,230 --> 02:33:50,160
know uh

3923
02:33:53,590 --> 02:33:52,240
things are looking good for making the

3924
02:33:56,630 --> 02:33:53,600
computer that we're going to

3925
02:33:57,830 --> 02:33:56,640
produce and manufacture into uh some

3926
02:33:59,590 --> 02:33:57,840
sort of

3927
02:34:01,750 --> 02:33:59,600
you know computer for the educational

3928
02:34:02,550 --> 02:34:01,760
market after all it has gpio pins you

3929
02:34:04,870 --> 02:34:02,560
can

3930
02:34:05,830 --> 02:34:04,880
control motors and lights and stepper

3931
02:34:07,590 --> 02:34:05,840
motors and

3932
02:34:09,190 --> 02:34:07,600
servos with it so it's great for like

3933
02:34:12,150 --> 02:34:09,200
robotics or

3934
02:34:19,110 --> 02:34:12,160
any kind of learning lab kind of stuff

3935
02:34:22,630 --> 02:34:20,950
medal says when all is said and done i'm

3936
02:34:23,510 --> 02:34:22,640
pretty sure there wasn't no aliens

3937
02:34:26,870 --> 02:34:23,520
crashing anywhere

3938
02:34:30,230 --> 02:34:26,880
fun though yeah i'm still

3939
02:34:33,510 --> 02:34:30,240
leaving all options open jolly sounds

3940
02:34:37,110 --> 02:34:33,520
interesting uh

3941
02:34:39,750 --> 02:34:37,120
no i don't have uh i don't have a

3942
02:34:42,070 --> 02:34:39,760
website yet for i took my company

3943
02:34:44,469 --> 02:34:42,080
website down when kobit happened in my

3944
02:34:45,910 --> 02:34:44,479
whole company which used to be centered

3945
02:34:49,429 --> 02:34:45,920
around

3946
02:34:51,190 --> 02:34:49,439
in-person uh in-home service

3947
02:34:53,510 --> 02:34:51,200
in other words if you need your laptop

3948
02:34:55,429 --> 02:34:53,520
or your desktop computer fixed you don't

3949
02:34:57,670 --> 02:34:55,439
take it somewhere you just call me and i

3950
02:34:59,429 --> 02:34:57,680
would come to your home and fix it

3951
02:35:02,150 --> 02:34:59,439
but the problem is nobody wants you in

3952
02:35:04,550 --> 02:35:02,160
their home now so my business went from

3953
02:35:06,150 --> 02:35:04,560
pretty busy to absolutely nothing

3954
02:35:09,030 --> 02:35:06,160
literally overnight

3955
02:35:10,950 --> 02:35:09,040
and it's a shame i'm hopeful you know i

3956
02:35:14,230 --> 02:35:10,960
can

3957
02:35:15,670 --> 02:35:14,240
i'm hopeful that uh things will

3958
02:35:17,429 --> 02:35:15,680
you know people keep saying get back to

3959
02:35:19,510 --> 02:35:17,439
normal is heat an

3960
02:35:26,230 --> 02:35:19,520
issue no and the computer's gonna be

3961
02:35:28,389 --> 02:35:26,240
fanless it just needs heat sinks um

3962
02:35:29,429 --> 02:35:28,399
yeah does your os get very warm in a

3963
02:35:31,510 --> 02:35:29,439
case

3964
02:35:33,910 --> 02:35:31,520
uh you mean the computer maybe because

3965
02:35:35,110 --> 02:35:33,920
the os doesn't get warm or cold but okay

3966
02:35:38,830 --> 02:35:35,120
yeah i see what you mean

3967
02:35:40,790 --> 02:35:38,840
no heat's not going to be an issue with

3968
02:35:42,309 --> 02:35:40,800
those

3969
02:35:46,790 --> 02:35:42,319
yes the amount of money that can be made

3970
02:35:50,230 --> 02:35:48,790
yes i completely agree with you eric 3d

3971
02:35:51,510 --> 02:35:50,240
printing is great for prototyping and

3972
02:35:56,630 --> 02:35:51,520
what else but not so great for

3973
02:36:00,309 --> 02:35:58,950
yeah spooky but you know what i'm really

3974
02:36:03,429 --> 02:36:00,319
thinking is

3975
02:36:08,630 --> 02:36:06,469
i thought that i don't want to make

3976
02:36:09,990 --> 02:36:08,640
a computer with a wood case because that

3977
02:36:12,389 --> 02:36:10,000
seemed to me to be

3978
02:36:13,590 --> 02:36:12,399
like wood a wood case that's kind of old

3979
02:36:15,590 --> 02:36:13,600
school and like

3980
02:36:17,910 --> 02:36:15,600
even if it's painted well or laminated

3981
02:36:20,550 --> 02:36:17,920
over the wood it's still going to look

3982
02:36:22,309 --> 02:36:20,560
you know ideally i would like aluminum

3983
02:36:25,590 --> 02:36:22,319
case but the price of aluminum

3984
02:36:26,950 --> 02:36:25,600
and the fact that i have zero zero metal

3985
02:36:28,950 --> 02:36:26,960
working skills

3986
02:36:30,790 --> 02:36:28,960
but i'm very good with wood like you

3987
02:36:31,990 --> 02:36:30,800
know i could build furniture or i could

3988
02:36:35,429 --> 02:36:32,000
build uh

3989
02:36:37,110 --> 02:36:35,439
you know i mean pretty much any i can

3990
02:36:39,510 --> 02:36:37,120
build anything out of wood

3991
02:36:40,870 --> 02:36:39,520
it's very easy material to work with and

3992
02:36:44,230 --> 02:36:40,880
i have woodworking

3993
02:36:45,990 --> 02:36:44,240
tools and drills and saws and you know a

3994
02:36:49,590 --> 02:36:46,000
chop saw a table saw

3995
02:36:50,150 --> 02:36:49,600
drill presses so i i'm leaning towards

3996
02:36:52,630 --> 02:36:50,160
wood

3997
02:36:53,830 --> 02:36:52,640
but i gotta find a way to sort of hide

3998
02:36:55,030 --> 02:36:53,840
the fact that it's wood

3999
02:36:57,750 --> 02:36:55,040
right and that's why i was thinking

4000
02:36:59,670 --> 02:36:57,760
lamination may be a good idea

4001
02:37:00,950 --> 02:36:59,680
i'm still you know i got all these

4002
02:37:02,389 --> 02:37:00,960
different things

4003
02:37:03,830 --> 02:37:02,399
i'm not gonna pan the camera around

4004
02:37:05,830 --> 02:37:03,840
because it looks like a mad scientist

4005
02:37:07,429 --> 02:37:05,840
lab over there but

4006
02:37:09,190 --> 02:37:07,439
oh and spooky you'll be happy to see

4007
02:37:11,750 --> 02:37:09,200
look there's the mic

4008
02:37:12,309 --> 02:37:11,760
right there but it's just out of frame

4009
02:37:14,389 --> 02:37:12,319
right

4010
02:37:16,870 --> 02:37:14,399
so spooky was on me make sure the mic is

4011
02:37:19,429 --> 02:37:16,880
right in your face even if it's

4012
02:37:19,990 --> 02:37:19,439
even if it's in frame i don't like it in

4013
02:37:22,469 --> 02:37:20,000
frame

4014
02:37:23,110 --> 02:37:22,479
but it's it's literally right here like

4015
02:37:29,349 --> 02:37:23,120
right here

4016
02:37:31,030 --> 02:37:29,359
um yeah best of both worlds spooky

4017
02:37:32,630 --> 02:37:31,040
because it's right in my face but it's

4018
02:37:34,550 --> 02:37:32,640
still out of the frame so you're right i

4019
02:37:37,670 --> 02:37:34,560
just had to mess around with the

4020
02:37:39,349 --> 02:37:37,680
stupid stand for it and get it right so

4021
02:37:40,870 --> 02:37:39,359
on the roswell series i'm hopeful that

4022
02:37:43,830 --> 02:37:40,880
we're going to have a few more

4023
02:37:45,429 --> 02:37:43,840
guests if not uh we'll wrap it up and

4024
02:37:47,429 --> 02:37:45,439
and i hope that everybody will come back

4025
02:37:51,670 --> 02:37:47,439
and do a panel show

4026
02:37:55,190 --> 02:37:53,990
brad gray says i don't believe randall

4027
02:37:57,590 --> 02:37:55,200
shim but you still

4028
02:37:58,550 --> 02:37:57,600
but still you never know i don't like

4029
02:38:01,110 --> 02:37:58,560
that randall shim

4030
02:38:03,429 --> 02:38:01,120
has had editions in other words there

4031
02:38:05,990 --> 02:38:03,439
was an original story and then later

4032
02:38:08,150 --> 02:38:06,000
here comes uh one of the participants

4033
02:38:09,110 --> 02:38:08,160
talking about binary codes that just so

4034
02:38:11,670 --> 02:38:09,120
happened to

4035
02:38:12,950 --> 02:38:11,680
translate to english and i'm a computer

4036
02:38:16,150 --> 02:38:12,960
science guy

4037
02:38:23,349 --> 02:38:20,230
he's never he's never

4038
02:38:27,750 --> 02:38:23,359
produced the

4039
02:38:31,750 --> 02:38:30,389
shame you're not using that mic yeah i

4040
02:38:36,469 --> 02:38:31,760
am let me check again

4041
02:38:42,309 --> 02:38:39,830
yeah i definitely am using that mic hda

4042
02:38:43,590 --> 02:38:42,319
intel that's the direct line in this is

4043
02:38:46,870 --> 02:38:43,600
the xlr mic

4044
02:38:47,750 --> 02:38:46,880
spooky and that's going into see if i

4045
02:38:50,469 --> 02:38:47,760
get closer

4046
02:38:51,429 --> 02:38:50,479
i am using this mic it's going directly

4047
02:38:54,070 --> 02:38:51,439
into the

4048
02:38:59,670 --> 02:38:54,080
mic input on this imac so i'm definitely

4049
02:39:03,910 --> 02:39:01,750
you can get high quality abs project

4050
02:39:06,309 --> 02:39:03,920
boxes for less than five dollars

4051
02:39:06,950 --> 02:39:06,319
paul cargo that may be a good idea but

4052
02:39:09,670 --> 02:39:06,960
again

4053
02:39:11,030 --> 02:39:09,680
um i'm still looking into that that's

4054
02:39:13,270 --> 02:39:11,040
one of the options actually

4055
02:39:14,469 --> 02:39:13,280
and you can get aluminum project boxes

4056
02:39:17,830 --> 02:39:14,479
uh for

4057
02:39:20,870 --> 02:39:17,840
just slightly more money um

4058
02:39:22,150 --> 02:39:20,880
and uh that's an option too but i'd

4059
02:39:25,349 --> 02:39:22,160
really like to go with an

4060
02:39:27,750 --> 02:39:25,359
all-in-one case in other words like the

4061
02:39:30,070 --> 02:39:27,760
computers that i grew up with

4062
02:39:31,510 --> 02:39:30,080
like a commodore 64 where the keyboard

4063
02:39:33,670 --> 02:39:31,520
is the computer

4064
02:39:35,990 --> 02:39:33,680
but you know thinner and smaller and a

4065
02:39:38,710 --> 02:39:36,000
little more sleek and high-tech and

4066
02:39:39,750 --> 02:39:38,720
updated but the computer will be inside

4067
02:39:41,830 --> 02:39:39,760
the keyboard

4068
02:39:44,230 --> 02:39:41,840
that's the major design that i'd like to

4069
02:39:45,830 --> 02:39:44,240
do which basically means that i have to

4070
02:39:47,830 --> 02:39:45,840
get a case to fit around

4071
02:39:49,190 --> 02:39:47,840
an off-the-shelf keyboard that i could

4072
02:39:51,030 --> 02:39:49,200
buy in huge volumes

4073
02:39:52,389 --> 02:39:51,040
like i said there's just tremendous

4074
02:39:54,630 --> 02:39:52,399
challenges to getting this computer

4075
02:39:58,070 --> 02:39:54,640
thing going i'm hopeful

4076
02:40:01,590 --> 02:39:58,080
that tap it here i'm tapping it

4077
02:40:03,670 --> 02:40:01,600
is that okay unless uh

4078
02:40:05,270 --> 02:40:03,680
yeah if i was using the other mic it

4079
02:40:05,990 --> 02:40:05,280
would tell me when i go to audio

4080
02:40:11,990 --> 02:40:06,000
settings or

4081
02:40:15,830 --> 02:40:15,030
it didn't spike when you went closer oh

4082
02:40:18,630 --> 02:40:15,840
jeez man

4083
02:40:19,510 --> 02:40:18,640
people are never happy even look i'm

4084
02:40:24,070 --> 02:40:19,520
using

4085
02:40:26,469 --> 02:40:24,080
right here spooky that's the only

4086
02:40:28,389 --> 02:40:26,479
microphone that's on right now

4087
02:40:32,830 --> 02:40:28,399
i'm not punking you that's the

4088
02:40:37,110 --> 02:40:35,349
jeez isn't that called the laptop

4089
02:40:39,110 --> 02:40:37,120
yeah it's kind of like a laptop without

4090
02:40:39,830 --> 02:40:39,120
a screen you have to plug in an external

4091
02:40:42,630 --> 02:40:39,840
screen

4092
02:40:43,670 --> 02:40:42,640
maybe uh that would be didn't hear a tap

4093
02:40:46,630 --> 02:40:43,680
i have this

4094
02:40:47,110 --> 02:40:46,640
it's got a big fluffy thing on top of it

4095
02:40:53,269 --> 02:40:47,120
here

4096
02:40:54,870 --> 02:40:53,279
is it tapping now like why do i have to

4097
02:41:00,230 --> 02:40:54,880
prove this stuff this

4098
02:41:03,990 --> 02:41:02,710
yeah so i don't know for everybody that

4099
02:41:04,870 --> 02:41:04,000
you know once in a while somebody will

4100
02:41:08,230 --> 02:41:04,880
like

4101
02:41:11,349 --> 02:41:08,240
microphone

4102
02:41:12,710 --> 02:41:11,359
like i'm using an industry standard xlr

4103
02:41:14,070 --> 02:41:12,720
microphone which by the way this

4104
02:41:16,070 --> 02:41:14,080
microphone was tested

4105
02:41:17,590 --> 02:41:16,080
against really really expensive

4106
02:41:20,870 --> 02:41:17,600
microphones

4107
02:41:22,950 --> 02:41:20,880
and like i i saw the reason i bought

4108
02:41:25,429 --> 02:41:22,960
this microphone is because i saw

4109
02:41:27,429 --> 02:41:25,439
three studio audio engineers test this

4110
02:41:29,030 --> 02:41:27,439
mic against very very expensive mics and

4111
02:41:32,150 --> 02:41:29,040
they were all very impressed with it

4112
02:41:37,830 --> 02:41:32,160
and it's relatively inexpensive so we

4113
02:41:41,030 --> 02:41:39,670
brad gray says i don't have any audio

4114
02:41:44,630 --> 02:41:41,040
problems here that's

4115
02:41:48,790 --> 02:41:44,640
see that's good to know

4116
02:41:50,710 --> 02:41:48,800
wow i'm drinking pink lemonade and uh

4117
02:42:04,150 --> 02:41:50,720
it tastes a lot different with no vodka

4118
02:42:07,910 --> 02:42:05,429
yeah i don't know what to tell you

4119
02:42:09,590 --> 02:42:07,920
spooky fly over here and verify i'm

4120
02:42:12,070 --> 02:42:09,600
using the right microphone

4121
02:42:13,269 --> 02:42:12,080
i say i'm using i can i don't know that

4122
02:42:14,950 --> 02:42:13,279
i could screenshot

4123
02:42:16,389 --> 02:42:14,960
and show you like i don't know how i'm

4124
02:42:19,910 --> 02:42:16,399
supposed to

4125
02:42:24,150 --> 02:42:19,920
prove it to you right or no or no i can

4126
02:42:32,710 --> 02:42:29,349
all right

4127
02:42:34,630 --> 02:42:32,720
that i was using

4128
02:42:36,630 --> 02:42:34,640
before that you complained about and

4129
02:42:39,510 --> 02:42:36,640
said was too tinny

4130
02:42:40,150 --> 02:42:39,520
that would be the other microphone the

4131
02:42:43,750 --> 02:42:40,160
usb

4132
02:42:47,510 --> 02:42:43,760
one and that's way over there so

4133
02:42:48,870 --> 02:42:47,520
yeah and we'll go back to the microphone

4134
02:42:50,950 --> 02:42:48,880
right in front of me

4135
02:42:52,309 --> 02:42:50,960
there do you hear the difference maybe

4136
02:42:58,389 --> 02:42:52,319
maybe not i don't know

4137
02:43:02,950 --> 02:43:02,230
see even listen even if i even if i am

4138
02:43:06,630 --> 02:43:02,960
using

4139
02:43:08,950 --> 02:43:06,640
going to complain it doesn't matter

4140
02:43:11,510 --> 02:43:08,960
right i'm going to get emails spooky

4141
02:43:12,790 --> 02:43:11,520
that this microphone is too bottomy and

4142
02:43:14,710 --> 02:43:12,800
bassy

4143
02:43:16,309 --> 02:43:14,720
it doesn't sound right that i should get

4144
02:43:17,990 --> 02:43:16,319
a different microphone and then i'll get

4145
02:43:19,190 --> 02:43:18,000
a different microphone and somebody else

4146
02:43:20,790 --> 02:43:19,200
will complain

4147
02:43:23,030 --> 02:43:20,800
you know and i'm kind of i'm kind of

4148
02:43:25,190 --> 02:43:23,040
over that stuff if i'm using an industry

4149
02:43:28,150 --> 02:43:25,200
standard broadcast microphone

4150
02:43:29,190 --> 02:43:28,160
xlr straight into the computer that's as

4151
02:43:30,950 --> 02:43:29,200
good as it's getting

4152
02:43:32,790 --> 02:43:30,960
i mean yeah i guess i can just keep

4153
02:43:38,070 --> 02:43:32,800
buying microphones forever but i don't

4154
02:43:38,080 --> 02:43:41,910
bug ability

4155
02:43:45,429 --> 02:43:44,230
yeah i agree with this statement the

4156
02:43:47,510 --> 02:43:45,439
renaissance

4157
02:43:49,349 --> 02:43:47,520
binary code was suspect because it was

4158
02:43:50,230 --> 02:43:49,359
translated to ascii but still an

4159
02:43:56,070 --> 02:43:50,240
interesting one

4160
02:43:59,349 --> 02:43:58,070
the funny thing is i think spooky is

4161
02:44:01,670 --> 02:43:59,359
right but i just like

4162
02:44:03,110 --> 02:44:01,680
seeing steven rant at her it's just

4163
02:44:04,790 --> 02:44:03,120
listen

4164
02:44:06,230 --> 02:44:04,800
i was talking about this on a previous

4165
02:44:09,110 --> 02:44:06,240
show uh

4166
02:44:11,190 --> 02:44:09,120
oh by the way i did something i never do

4167
02:44:11,990 --> 02:44:11,200
but i booted somebody from the live chat

4168
02:44:14,389 --> 02:44:12,000
earlier

4169
02:44:15,510 --> 02:44:14,399
and that person is simply not welcome

4170
02:44:18,389 --> 02:44:15,520
here until

4171
02:44:20,630 --> 02:44:18,399
they apologize for making slanderous

4172
02:44:23,910 --> 02:44:20,640
nasty statements about my guests

4173
02:44:27,670 --> 02:44:23,920
and me and my show publicly on twitter

4174
02:44:29,670 --> 02:44:27,680
you're not gonna act like a total jo

4175
02:44:31,190 --> 02:44:29,680
right i've gotten through an entire show

4176
02:44:33,429 --> 02:44:31,200
almost without cursing

4177
02:44:35,110 --> 02:44:33,439
i'm going to try to continue that i'm

4178
02:44:37,030 --> 02:44:35,120
not going to have some guy

4179
02:44:38,950 --> 02:44:37,040
who was completely and totally

4180
02:44:41,750 --> 02:44:38,960
belligerent nasty

4181
02:44:42,389 --> 02:44:41,760
argumentative personally insulting ad

4182
02:44:45,590 --> 02:44:42,399
hominem

4183
02:44:46,309 --> 02:44:45,600
attacking slandering my guests all over

4184
02:44:48,070 --> 02:44:46,319
twitter

4185
02:44:50,150 --> 02:44:48,080
coming to my live chat and then start

4186
02:44:52,070 --> 02:44:50,160
asking nasty questions or saying

4187
02:44:53,830 --> 02:44:52,080
that i'm softballing him and not asking

4188
02:44:55,830 --> 02:44:53,840
him hard questions what hard questions

4189
02:45:00,630 --> 02:44:55,840
was i supposed to ask him

4190
02:45:02,870 --> 02:45:00,640
the big issue was this um kaufman

4191
02:45:04,389 --> 02:45:02,880
witness and i think and i asked him

4192
02:45:05,349 --> 02:45:04,399
about it and i think mr schmidt

4193
02:45:08,630 --> 02:45:05,359
addressed that

4194
02:45:12,550 --> 02:45:08,640
just as well as tom carrey addressed it

4195
02:45:13,990 --> 02:45:12,560
right so for me what what hard questions

4196
02:45:15,990 --> 02:45:14,000
do you want me to ask them

4197
02:45:17,990 --> 02:45:16,000
you know and and it's always some

4198
02:45:19,349 --> 02:45:18,000
armchair idiot that doesn't have a show

4199
02:45:22,070 --> 02:45:19,359
that's going to tell me that i'm doing

4200
02:45:25,590 --> 02:45:22,080
things wrong on my show

4201
02:45:27,349 --> 02:45:25,600
i'm sorry uh goodbye he so

4202
02:45:29,429 --> 02:45:27,359
i booted him from the live chat because

4203
02:45:33,110 --> 02:45:29,439
he was getting nasty

4204
02:45:34,550 --> 02:45:33,120
argumentative and and being really nasty

4205
02:45:36,150 --> 02:45:34,560
in the live chat

4206
02:45:37,910 --> 02:45:36,160
see ya you're not welcome here you don't

4207
02:45:42,870 --> 02:45:37,920
like my show you don't like me

4208
02:45:45,830 --> 02:45:42,880
my guests are um he says just j.o

4209
02:45:47,030 --> 02:45:45,840
says that my guests are known this is

4210
02:45:49,990 --> 02:45:47,040
the quote from him

4211
02:45:50,790 --> 02:45:50,000
known paid government disinformation

4212
02:45:53,030 --> 02:45:50,800
agents

4213
02:45:56,309 --> 02:45:53,040
then he comes in the live chat and says

4214
02:45:58,389 --> 02:45:56,319
well i'll listen with an open mind

4215
02:46:00,710 --> 02:45:58,399
but yeah and he's going to start

4216
02:46:01,910 --> 02:46:00,720
slandering guests again there's no proof

4217
02:46:03,670 --> 02:46:01,920
there's no evidence of any of his

4218
02:46:05,269 --> 02:46:03,680
statements i asked him for pay stubs i

4219
02:46:05,910 --> 02:46:05,279
asked him for proof 10 times he won't

4220
02:46:07,990 --> 02:46:05,920
give it to me

4221
02:46:09,110 --> 02:46:08,000
bye bye you're booted i'm not dealing

4222
02:46:18,710 --> 02:46:09,120
with

4223
02:46:25,110 --> 02:46:22,710
all right levine is here or are l

4224
02:46:26,389 --> 02:46:25,120
says believers should read course book

4225
02:46:28,630 --> 02:46:26,399
on roswell

4226
02:46:30,230 --> 02:46:28,640
yeah uh i'm going to read it again along

4227
02:46:31,429 --> 02:46:30,240
with alien scientists and then we're

4228
02:46:36,790 --> 02:46:31,439
going to talk to mr

4229
02:46:40,230 --> 02:46:38,389
eric anderson says there seems to be a

4230
02:46:42,150 --> 02:46:40,240
lot of ufo lore that overlaps with

4231
02:46:44,150 --> 02:46:42,160
government experiments with psychedelics

4232
02:46:45,830 --> 02:46:44,160
rendering fits that bill for sure

4233
02:46:48,469 --> 02:46:45,840
hard to tell if it's dis-info

4234
02:46:51,750 --> 02:46:48,479
distraction or something else

4235
02:46:53,670 --> 02:46:51,760
yeah uh there's been a lot of government

4236
02:46:55,990 --> 02:46:53,680
experiments into psychedelics my

4237
02:46:58,950 --> 02:46:56,000
favorite is operation midnight climax

4238
02:47:01,830 --> 02:46:58,960
wherein the cia hired prostitutes

4239
02:47:03,590 --> 02:47:01,840
to lure men back to a brothel and dose

4240
02:47:07,110 --> 02:47:03,600
them with very high doses

4241
02:47:08,870 --> 02:47:07,120
of lsd just to see what would happen

4242
02:47:15,990 --> 02:47:08,880
it's great that our government has done

4243
02:47:19,510 --> 02:47:17,830
brad gray what show are we talking about

4244
02:47:20,150 --> 02:47:19,520
here i think we're talking about this

4245
02:47:27,990 --> 02:47:20,160
one

4246
02:47:32,950 --> 02:47:30,389
sounds like something an agent would say

4247
02:47:32,960 --> 02:47:38,230
definitely

4248
02:47:43,590 --> 02:47:42,070
and dane brooke in the twitch chat

4249
02:47:46,830 --> 02:47:43,600
thank you for being there in the twitch

4250
02:47:51,269 --> 02:47:46,840
chat i'm sorry if you're the only one

4251
02:47:51,750 --> 02:47:51,279
uh george's st prepare former legend ufc

4252
02:47:53,750 --> 02:47:51,760
champion

4253
02:47:55,510 --> 02:47:53,760
is a huge believer in aliens in fact he

4254
02:47:57,110 --> 02:47:55,520
claims to have been abducted

4255
02:48:10,309 --> 02:47:57,120
have not heard that but i've seen him

4256
02:48:13,510 --> 02:48:12,389
no i meant the guy okay you meant the

4257
02:48:16,309 --> 02:48:13,520
guy being a

4258
02:48:16,630 --> 02:48:16,319
p uh yeah well it was early in the show

4259
02:48:19,349 --> 02:48:16,640
and

4260
02:48:21,510 --> 02:48:19,359
you know what i just i saw three or four

4261
02:48:22,070 --> 02:48:21,520
nasty comments directed at me or the

4262
02:48:24,950 --> 02:48:22,080
guest

4263
02:48:26,070 --> 02:48:24,960
and brad gray i just said see you later

4264
02:48:28,309 --> 02:48:26,080
i'm not gonna sit through

4265
02:48:30,070 --> 02:48:28,319
two hours of you in the live chat saying

4266
02:48:31,510 --> 02:48:30,080
nasty stuff about a guest

4267
02:48:33,349 --> 02:48:31,520
if you don't like the guest they'll come

4268
02:48:35,750 --> 02:48:33,359
into my live chat see you

4269
02:48:38,710 --> 02:48:35,760
and that's it and uh you know that's

4270
02:48:44,950 --> 02:48:42,070
art levine says where the rl7

4271
02:48:46,870 --> 02:48:44,960
says what are the icons wrench icons in

4272
02:48:48,710 --> 02:48:46,880
chat that means those are moderators or

4273
02:48:49,990 --> 02:48:48,720
they have moderator power we give those

4274
02:48:53,429 --> 02:48:50,000
out quite a lot

4275
02:48:55,510 --> 02:48:53,439
i can give one to you if you so desire

4276
02:48:56,870 --> 02:48:55,520
and that just helps us run the live chat

4277
02:48:59,990 --> 02:48:56,880
uh even though

4278
02:49:02,550 --> 02:49:00,000
nobody booted the idiot earlier that

4279
02:49:03,030 --> 02:49:02,560
they probably should but i you know

4280
02:49:05,990 --> 02:49:03,040
actually

4281
02:49:06,950 --> 02:49:06,000
no i i don't want people booting anybody

4282
02:49:10,790 --> 02:49:06,960
so

4283
02:49:12,710 --> 02:49:10,800
me because that's the first time that

4284
02:49:13,990 --> 02:49:12,720
i've ever booted somebody from our show

4285
02:49:15,510 --> 02:49:14,000
or a live chat

4286
02:49:17,269 --> 02:49:15,520
i just feel like if you're gonna say

4287
02:49:21,030 --> 02:49:17,279
nasty

4288
02:49:22,309 --> 02:49:21,040
my guests then you're not welcome go to

4289
02:49:25,830 --> 02:49:22,319
somebody else's stream and

4290
02:49:29,030 --> 02:49:25,840
spout your hatred and nonsense you know

4291
02:49:30,790 --> 02:49:29,040
it's very simple it's very simple and

4292
02:49:33,030 --> 02:49:30,800
anybody that knows me knows you can ask

4293
02:49:34,790 --> 02:49:33,040
me questions i'll engage with people

4294
02:49:35,750 --> 02:49:34,800
i'll answer questions but as soon as you

4295
02:49:36,790 --> 02:49:35,760
get like

4296
02:49:38,870 --> 02:49:36,800
to the point where you're like

4297
02:49:41,030 --> 02:49:38,880
slandering people with no evidence and

4298
02:49:44,870 --> 02:49:41,040
no proof and you won't provide any proof

4299
02:49:46,469 --> 02:49:44,880
and you keep it up see ya you know

4300
02:49:48,150 --> 02:49:46,479
i'm kind of to the point right now where

4301
02:49:49,830 --> 02:49:48,160
like i just

4302
02:49:51,590 --> 02:49:49,840
i don't have time for idiots i don't

4303
02:49:53,349 --> 02:49:51,600
have time to argue with idiots i don't

4304
02:49:55,269 --> 02:49:53,359
have time to defend my guests against

4305
02:49:55,830 --> 02:49:55,279
idiots if he had come to me with some

4306
02:49:59,750 --> 02:49:55,840
valid

4307
02:50:02,790 --> 02:49:59,760
reasonable questions or accusations with

4308
02:50:05,990 --> 02:50:02,800
proof or evidence but it's he didn't

4309
02:50:07,670 --> 02:50:06,000
it's just nonsense he's spewing nonsense

4310
02:50:10,550 --> 02:50:07,680
on my twitter oh i've locked him on

4311
02:50:13,750 --> 02:50:12,550
uh so if you're just going to spout

4312
02:50:16,950 --> 02:50:13,760
nonsense and

4313
02:50:23,349 --> 02:50:16,960
and nastiness see you later i will

4314
02:50:25,990 --> 02:50:23,359
delete you from my online existence

4315
02:50:27,510 --> 02:50:26,000
yeah that's pretty much where we're at

4316
02:50:28,070 --> 02:50:27,520
brad gray you came in late must have

4317
02:50:30,309 --> 02:50:28,080
missed that

4318
02:50:32,710 --> 02:50:30,319
i didn't let him go very far fred gray

4319
02:50:33,910 --> 02:50:32,720
he he said three or four statements like

4320
02:50:36,469 --> 02:50:33,920
stop uh

4321
02:50:37,349 --> 02:50:36,479
uh stop softball and start asking them

4322
02:50:39,750 --> 02:50:37,359
hard questions

4323
02:50:42,230 --> 02:50:39,760
who is this guy think he is he's going

4324
02:50:44,309 --> 02:50:42,240
to tell me how to do my job here

4325
02:50:45,510 --> 02:50:44,319
and i keep on saying this and i really

4326
02:50:47,349 --> 02:50:45,520
mean it to

4327
02:50:49,670 --> 02:50:47,359
all these people that think i do such a

4328
02:50:50,230 --> 02:50:49,680
terrible job yet they watch every show i

4329
02:50:53,670 --> 02:50:50,240
do

4330
02:50:56,950 --> 02:50:53,680
there's a lot of those people

4331
02:50:59,349 --> 02:50:56,960
go go please go start your own show

4332
02:51:01,349 --> 02:50:59,359
go do your own show and i can't wait to

4333
02:51:02,950 --> 02:51:01,359
see how much better it is than mine i

4334
02:51:04,630 --> 02:51:02,960
can't wait to see how much better guests

4335
02:51:07,670 --> 02:51:04,640
you get i've had people tell me that

4336
02:51:09,269 --> 02:51:07,680
you should get better guests we just had

4337
02:51:10,469 --> 02:51:09,279
a guy that wrote like seven books on

4338
02:51:14,230 --> 02:51:10,479
roswell

4339
02:51:15,910 --> 02:51:14,240
what where is a better guest than a guy

4340
02:51:17,990 --> 02:51:15,920
who's written seven books about the

4341
02:51:20,150 --> 02:51:18,000
event that we're discussing that night

4342
02:51:21,590 --> 02:51:20,160
right he's been studying this event for

4343
02:51:23,670 --> 02:51:21,600
35 years

4344
02:51:24,710 --> 02:51:23,680
i think that's a good guest if you don't

4345
02:51:27,110 --> 02:51:24,720
then you're stupid

4346
02:51:27,910 --> 02:51:27,120
and that's where i'm at with everything

4347
02:51:31,190 --> 02:51:27,920
and by the way

4348
02:51:35,590 --> 02:51:33,830
i just think like i don't i'm just i

4349
02:51:36,070 --> 02:51:35,600
don't have the time for negative nasty

4350
02:51:38,230 --> 02:51:36,080
people

4351
02:51:39,349 --> 02:51:38,240
and i'm no longer go i used to tolerate

4352
02:51:40,630 --> 02:51:39,359
them because i thought

4353
02:51:41,750 --> 02:51:40,640
i don't want to be one of those guys

4354
02:51:43,510 --> 02:51:41,760
that just blocks everybody that

4355
02:51:44,150 --> 02:51:43,520
disagrees with them on social media and

4356
02:51:45,990 --> 02:51:44,160
hey i

4357
02:51:47,990 --> 02:51:46,000
i think i'm clear my conscience that i

4358
02:51:48,870 --> 02:51:48,000
don't do that a lot of people disagree

4359
02:51:50,790 --> 02:51:48,880
with me

4360
02:51:51,910 --> 02:51:50,800
civilly and i'm fine with that totally

4361
02:51:53,670 --> 02:51:51,920
okay with that you want to disagree with

4362
02:51:54,710 --> 02:51:53,680
me disagree with me all you want but do

4363
02:51:57,349 --> 02:51:54,720
it in a civil way

4364
02:51:59,510 --> 02:51:57,359
right don't be nasty and argumentative

4365
02:52:02,950 --> 02:51:59,520
or slanderous

4366
02:52:06,469 --> 02:52:02,960
spreading untrue unproven

4367
02:52:10,630 --> 02:52:06,479
rumors about my show my guests it

4368
02:52:13,750 --> 02:52:12,630
rl7 i interviewed frank kaufman and

4369
02:52:14,469 --> 02:52:13,760
would be glad to tell you about my

4370
02:52:16,790 --> 02:52:14,479
impressions of

4371
02:52:18,630 --> 02:52:16,800
did any of these people interview other

4372
02:52:19,429 --> 02:52:18,640
people interviewing him directly yeah

4373
02:52:22,790 --> 02:52:19,439
don schmidt

4374
02:52:25,910 --> 02:52:22,800
and and uh kevin randle were

4375
02:52:27,990 --> 02:52:25,920
well known for interviewing mr kaufman

4376
02:52:30,150 --> 02:52:28,000
and they kind of ran with the story and

4377
02:52:31,269 --> 02:52:30,160
had a book where he was heavily featured

4378
02:52:39,110 --> 02:52:31,279
later they

4379
02:52:41,030 --> 02:52:39,120
made a lot of the stuff up that he told

4380
02:52:43,349 --> 02:52:41,040
us and they backed away from him as a

4381
02:52:45,910 --> 02:52:43,359
credible guest

4382
02:52:47,670 --> 02:52:45,920
and yes if they have a wrench then they

4383
02:52:48,710 --> 02:52:47,680
are a moderator and many people you'll

4384
02:52:56,550 --> 02:52:48,720
see in the live chat

4385
02:52:58,550 --> 02:52:56,560
is is an approved moderator

4386
02:52:59,750 --> 02:52:58,560
oh see thanks for the support no better

4387
02:53:03,190 --> 02:52:59,760
guess than don schmidt

4388
02:53:04,950 --> 02:53:03,200
not on roswell there isn't but this j.o

4389
02:53:07,429 --> 02:53:04,960
thinks i should get better guests i

4390
02:53:09,349 --> 02:53:07,439
can't like i said start his own like

4391
02:53:10,469 --> 02:53:09,359
he should start his own show it'll be so

4392
02:53:14,550 --> 02:53:10,479
much better than mine

4393
02:53:16,230 --> 02:53:14,560
i can't wait right i can't wait

4394
02:53:17,990 --> 02:53:16,240
this kind of stuff reminds me of rock

4395
02:53:19,910 --> 02:53:18,000
band stuff like i used to have people

4396
02:53:21,590 --> 02:53:19,920
come up to me after rock shows

4397
02:53:23,990 --> 02:53:21,600
and tell me like that they had better

4398
02:53:27,510 --> 02:53:24,000
guitar than me or something like

4399
02:53:31,590 --> 02:53:27,520
snobbily you know like oh uh

4400
02:53:34,950 --> 02:53:31,600
you're playing a jackson i have uh

4401
02:53:37,349 --> 02:53:34,960
you know a gibson custom

4402
02:53:38,230 --> 02:53:37,359
oh well good for you are you in a band

4403
02:53:41,349 --> 02:53:38,240
well no

4404
02:53:42,790 --> 02:53:41,359
but i have a gibson custom okay

4405
02:53:44,710 --> 02:53:42,800
i'm sorry i don't have a three thousand

4406
02:53:45,429 --> 02:53:44,720
dollar guitar to play a show for fifty

4407
02:53:49,269 --> 02:53:45,439
dollars

4408
02:53:49,910 --> 02:53:49,279
with my band you know it was always the

4409
02:53:51,429 --> 02:53:49,920
guys that

4410
02:53:55,510 --> 02:53:51,439
weren't doing anything that would tell

4411
02:54:00,870 --> 02:54:00,389
uh oh here we go cow court was chiming

4412
02:54:03,910 --> 02:54:00,880
in

4413
02:54:05,510 --> 02:54:03,920
oh we triggered cow corp oh no randall

4414
02:54:05,990 --> 02:54:05,520
refused to bother getting cosman's

4415
02:54:07,990 --> 02:54:06,000
military

4416
02:54:09,590 --> 02:54:08,000
file and art levine got them in hours

4417
02:54:11,429 --> 02:54:09,600
with one phone call

4418
02:54:12,870 --> 02:54:11,439
well good yeah and we can talk to mr

4419
02:54:15,990 --> 02:54:12,880
levine about that

4420
02:54:19,750 --> 02:54:16,000
and uh sort of cover uh

4421
02:54:21,590 --> 02:54:19,760
you know but i don't think there's

4422
02:54:23,990 --> 02:54:21,600
anything wrong kalkwarf with

4423
02:54:25,910 --> 02:54:24,000
trusting a guest while everything looks

4424
02:54:26,950 --> 02:54:25,920
good about that guest after all they

4425
02:54:29,510 --> 02:54:26,960
verified his

4426
02:54:30,070 --> 02:54:29,520
uh i thought mr smith said they verified

4427
02:54:41,269 --> 02:54:30,080
he

4428
02:54:45,510 --> 02:54:43,830
yeah me too spooky says really great

4429
02:54:47,750 --> 02:54:45,520
show tonight can't wait for the panel

4430
02:54:50,389 --> 02:54:47,760
mud wrassle

4431
02:54:51,750 --> 02:54:50,399
and mr korff i asked mr schmidt he said

4432
02:54:52,309 --> 02:54:51,760
he would come back for a panel i'm

4433
02:54:54,790 --> 02:54:52,319
pretty sure

4434
02:54:56,870 --> 02:54:54,800
mr carrie will so we're really and i i'm

4435
02:54:58,790 --> 02:54:56,880
i'm hopeful that walter bosley an alien

4436
02:55:02,070 --> 02:54:58,800
scientist will as well

4437
02:55:04,230 --> 02:55:02,080
i'm i'm hoping that you and mr

4438
02:55:09,429 --> 02:55:04,240
randall could both be on the panel and

4439
02:55:09,439 --> 02:55:12,710
oh that's interesting

4440
02:55:17,190 --> 02:55:15,030
levine called and exposed kaufman as a

4441
02:55:20,070 --> 02:55:17,200
lying old coot yeah i think they

4442
02:55:21,349 --> 02:55:20,080
i think that has been established that

4443
02:55:24,950 --> 02:55:21,359
he was a lying old

4444
02:55:28,870 --> 02:55:24,960
coot that wanted to um include himself

4445
02:55:30,230 --> 02:55:28,880
in the event well done pulling all these

4446
02:55:33,429 --> 02:55:30,240
characters together

4447
02:55:34,230 --> 02:55:33,439
yeah i still can't believe this worked

4448
02:55:36,389 --> 02:55:34,240
out i can't

4449
02:55:37,670 --> 02:55:36,399
like i was real nervous earlier today

4450
02:55:39,750 --> 02:55:37,680
because i thought mr

4451
02:55:41,830 --> 02:55:39,760
schmidt like no show or something he

4452
02:55:44,469 --> 02:55:41,840
waited until like 8 59

4453
02:55:45,910 --> 02:55:44,479
to get to the backstage area nice you

4454
02:55:48,070 --> 02:55:45,920
know well it's part of that's my fault i

4455
02:55:50,550 --> 02:55:48,080
sent him the invite late but uh

4456
02:55:52,309 --> 02:55:50,560
i was like i gotta get don schmidt i

4457
02:55:53,030 --> 02:55:52,319
gotta get this interview done and then

4458
02:55:55,190 --> 02:55:53,040
we'll have

4459
02:55:56,950 --> 02:55:55,200
you know this might i'm gonna talk to

4460
02:55:57,590 --> 02:55:56,960
you off here daniel but this might get

4461
02:55:59,590 --> 02:55:57,600
re-cut

4462
02:56:05,190 --> 02:55:59,600
into something like a documentary when

4463
02:56:08,469 --> 02:56:07,030
they did not investigate kaufman as they

4464
02:56:10,790 --> 02:56:08,479
should have good

4465
02:56:12,469 --> 02:56:10,800
uh i think i think that'll be great and

4466
02:56:15,670 --> 02:56:12,479
cow corv is okay with the panel

4467
02:56:18,870 --> 02:56:15,680
he says he's in so we've got two of the

4468
02:56:19,990 --> 02:56:18,880
the five i would suppose i'll reach out

4469
02:56:22,230 --> 02:56:20,000
to the rest of them but

4470
02:56:25,269 --> 02:56:22,240
uh mr core if you know i have a few more

4471
02:56:27,110 --> 02:56:25,279
a bit more esoteric

4472
02:56:28,309 --> 02:56:27,120
i want to say i keep i don't know the

4473
02:56:29,830 --> 02:56:28,319
term for it

4474
02:56:31,750 --> 02:56:29,840
there's a few more people that i'd like

4475
02:56:35,030 --> 02:56:31,760
to include in this roswell series

4476
02:56:35,670 --> 02:56:35,040
but their evidentiary support is pretty

4477
02:56:39,030 --> 02:56:35,680
light

4478
02:56:40,230 --> 02:56:39,040
right uh but i still think i want to

4479
02:56:42,389 --> 02:56:40,240
include them

4480
02:56:43,750 --> 02:56:42,399
uh because then we can get some

4481
02:56:46,950 --> 02:56:43,760
additional perspectives

4482
02:56:50,309 --> 02:56:46,960
as to what exactly may have crashed uh

4483
02:56:52,389 --> 02:56:50,319
in roswell new mexico in 1947 and you'll

4484
02:56:53,670 --> 02:56:52,399
be happy to know mr korf i did remember

4485
02:56:56,070 --> 02:56:53,680
i almost forgot but i

4486
02:56:56,790 --> 02:56:56,080
remembered to get mr schmidt to give us

4487
02:57:04,870 --> 02:56:56,800
his best

4488
02:57:08,950 --> 02:57:06,950
yeah ray car i agree with you take some

4489
02:57:11,429 --> 02:57:08,960
clips of your shows to make into youtube

4490
02:57:15,349 --> 02:57:11,439
shorts to boost your views check out the

4491
02:57:17,590 --> 02:57:15,359
spiffing brick for details yeah i uh

4492
02:57:18,469 --> 02:57:17,600
all my list of things to do is clip of

4493
02:57:22,070 --> 02:57:18,479
the day

4494
02:57:23,349 --> 02:57:22,080
i i wanna if i could find the time

4495
02:57:25,269 --> 02:57:23,359
you know it's going to take it'll take

4496
02:57:25,830 --> 02:57:25,279
an hour to make a clip to download a

4497
02:57:28,389 --> 02:57:25,840
show

4498
02:57:29,910 --> 02:57:28,399
to go to the timestamp to cut out the

4499
02:57:31,349 --> 02:57:29,920
rest of it to put in some kind of

4500
02:57:35,190 --> 02:57:31,359
bumpers

4501
02:57:36,550 --> 02:57:35,200
um but i know i really have to do that

4502
02:57:38,070 --> 02:57:36,560
because a lot of people aren't going to

4503
02:57:39,830 --> 02:57:38,080
give

4504
02:57:41,670 --> 02:57:39,840
this channel a chance if they have to

4505
02:57:44,309 --> 02:57:41,680
sit there and listen for three hours but

4506
02:57:46,630 --> 02:57:44,319
if it's a five minute video

4507
02:57:50,230 --> 02:57:46,640
they're probably much more likely to so

4508
02:57:56,550 --> 02:57:51,750
says i have never ducked anyone on

4509
02:58:00,230 --> 02:57:58,469
well uh randall was still endorsing

4510
02:58:02,830 --> 02:58:00,240
kaufman until he died then randall went

4511
02:58:06,389 --> 02:58:02,840
for damage control

4512
02:58:09,510 --> 02:58:08,150
yeah i wish i could get a hold of that

4513
02:58:12,070 --> 02:58:09,520
abc tv

4514
02:58:13,269 --> 02:58:12,080
maybe i can contact abc and try to find

4515
02:58:14,950 --> 02:58:13,279
a copy of that

4516
02:58:18,870 --> 02:58:14,960
kalkwarf i would like i would love to

4517
02:58:20,389 --> 02:58:18,880
see that

4518
02:58:25,590 --> 02:58:20,399
yeah everyone should bring their best

4519
02:58:28,870 --> 02:58:28,070
spooky says hi yes i do videos pay me in

4520
02:58:32,150 --> 02:58:28,880
tacos

4521
02:58:35,590 --> 02:58:32,160
uh i could afford one taco bell

4522
02:58:37,990 --> 02:58:35,600
taco per clip right

4523
02:58:41,030 --> 02:58:38,000
that's about a dollar u.s if you can

4524
02:58:46,070 --> 02:58:43,910
yeah i need like i need somebody like

4525
02:58:51,030 --> 02:58:46,080
spooky that'll work for slave wages

4526
02:58:55,269 --> 02:58:53,429
eric anderson says the roswell story

4527
02:58:57,190 --> 02:58:55,279
lore always struck me as classic

4528
02:58:58,950 --> 02:58:57,200
uncover-up with many layers from the

4529
02:59:00,070 --> 02:58:58,960
mogul balloon story through to the most

4530
02:59:02,070 --> 02:59:00,080
extreme ebe

4531
02:59:03,670 --> 02:59:02,080
saucer takes seems almost like there's

4532
02:59:06,230 --> 02:59:03,680
too much to sort

4533
02:59:07,349 --> 02:59:06,240
yeah that's what i've said that's why

4534
02:59:09,349 --> 02:59:07,359
roswell for me

4535
02:59:11,030 --> 02:59:09,359
is one of those enduring mysteries that

4536
02:59:13,269 --> 02:59:11,040
i just keep going back to

4537
02:59:14,150 --> 02:59:13,279
year after year you know every once in a

4538
02:59:16,070 --> 02:59:14,160
while for a while

4539
02:59:17,349 --> 02:59:16,080
i i read all the books and i thought i

4540
02:59:19,910 --> 02:59:17,359
knew everything and then i

4541
02:59:20,790 --> 02:59:19,920
stopped looking into it i was just

4542
02:59:24,230 --> 02:59:20,800
convinced

4543
02:59:27,910 --> 02:59:24,240
it's extraterrestrials it has to be

4544
02:59:29,349 --> 02:59:27,920
and then i uh then i remember finding

4545
02:59:31,830 --> 02:59:29,359
calculus book

4546
02:59:32,870 --> 02:59:31,840
and being extremely just disappointed

4547
02:59:35,750 --> 02:59:32,880
and let down

4548
02:59:37,269 --> 02:59:35,760
that i missed a good part of the story

4549
02:59:40,710 --> 02:59:37,279
let's leave it at that

4550
02:59:42,309 --> 02:59:40,720
uh you know and then

4551
02:59:44,070 --> 02:59:42,319
other books coming out new information

4552
02:59:46,070 --> 02:59:44,080
comes back so every once in a while i go

4553
02:59:50,550 --> 02:59:46,080
back to

4554
02:59:54,630 --> 02:59:53,590
researching the event again right but

4555
02:59:56,790 --> 02:59:54,640
i've never gotten

4556
02:59:57,830 --> 02:59:56,800
i've thought i've been close or thought

4557
03:00:00,630 --> 02:59:57,840
i knew

4558
03:00:02,230 --> 03:00:00,640
what exactly happened a few times but

4559
03:00:05,110 --> 03:00:02,240
then you read a couple more books and

4560
03:00:08,309 --> 03:00:06,630
you realize that you don't know as much

4561
03:00:10,469 --> 03:00:08,319
as you thought you knew and some of

4562
03:00:12,389 --> 03:00:10,479
those witnesses that people are claiming

4563
03:00:16,070 --> 03:00:12,399
are great witnesses turn out to be not

4564
03:00:19,269 --> 03:00:18,230
spooky says remember the alien opera is

4565
03:00:21,670 --> 03:00:19,279
real

4566
03:00:23,670 --> 03:00:21,680
yeah i've yet to get that working uh i

4567
03:00:25,349 --> 03:00:23,680
have my laptop right here spooky it just

4568
03:00:27,269 --> 03:00:25,359
doesn't like windows 10 that

4569
03:00:30,469 --> 03:00:27,279
software you guys were using i have to

4570
03:00:35,429 --> 03:00:33,990
cv lindo parado says the huge gash in

4571
03:00:36,870 --> 03:00:35,439
the dirt at the site is definitely good

4572
03:00:38,389 --> 03:00:36,880
evidence the weather balloon isn't going

4573
03:00:40,710 --> 03:00:38,399
to do that

4574
03:00:42,389 --> 03:00:40,720
yeah good point see this is what i was

4575
03:00:43,990 --> 03:00:42,399
saying and and mr coordinator i was

4576
03:00:47,110 --> 03:00:44,000
saying earlier that this whole

4577
03:00:49,590 --> 03:00:47,120
series feels to me like a ping pong game

4578
03:00:51,349 --> 03:00:49,600
it's like you know these other guys say

4579
03:00:53,269 --> 03:00:51,359
this witness said this and then you come

4580
03:00:53,910 --> 03:00:53,279
and show us no they didn't really say

4581
03:00:57,269 --> 03:00:53,920
that

4582
03:01:00,630 --> 03:00:57,279
whatever it's this big

4583
03:01:02,309 --> 03:01:00,640
back and forth yes i know you're using

4584
03:01:04,230 --> 03:01:02,319
it with windows 10 but i can't stand

4585
03:01:05,990 --> 03:01:04,240
windows 10 i have on my laptops i don't

4586
03:01:08,070 --> 03:01:06,000
have it on any desktop here because i

4587
03:01:10,710 --> 03:01:08,080
hate it

4588
03:01:12,790 --> 03:01:10,720
so uh and i really should probably but i

4589
03:01:14,710 --> 03:01:12,800
don't fix computers anymore so

4590
03:01:16,870 --> 03:01:14,720
like i haven't for a year so i don't

4591
03:01:19,990 --> 03:01:16,880
really need to be that familiar with

4592
03:01:23,110 --> 03:01:20,000
windows 10. uh i'm

4593
03:01:24,950 --> 03:01:23,120
fine uh eric anderson uh you should be

4594
03:01:27,349 --> 03:01:24,960
using altos not windows

4595
03:01:29,750 --> 03:01:27,359
yeah absolutely actually i am right at

4596
03:01:32,389 --> 03:01:29,760
the moment uh the stream is running

4597
03:01:32,790 --> 03:01:32,399
i suddenly realize mr anderson that i

4598
03:01:35,110 --> 03:01:32,800
have

4599
03:01:36,309 --> 03:01:35,120
my own operating system that i can

4600
03:01:39,830 --> 03:01:36,319
customize

4601
03:01:41,190 --> 03:01:39,840
just for the show so uh what i've done

4602
03:01:42,469 --> 03:01:41,200
is and i'm not going to show it now

4603
03:01:45,030 --> 03:01:42,479
because the last time i tried to show

4604
03:01:47,670 --> 03:01:45,040
this something crap the stream crashed

4605
03:01:49,110 --> 03:01:47,680
i believe i fixed that issue but i don't

4606
03:01:51,990 --> 03:01:49,120
want to risk it so

4607
03:01:53,670 --> 03:01:52,000
what i have here mr anderson is i have

4608
03:01:56,710 --> 03:01:53,680
12 desktops

4609
03:01:57,590 --> 03:01:56,720
and i have my notes for the show on one

4610
03:01:59,670 --> 03:01:57,600
desktop

4611
03:02:02,469 --> 03:01:59,680
i have stream yard in a full screen on

4612
03:02:05,830 --> 03:02:02,479
another desktop

4613
03:02:06,710 --> 03:02:05,840
i have twitter on another screen i have

4614
03:02:09,590 --> 03:02:06,720
uh

4615
03:02:13,110 --> 03:02:09,600
the the actual youtube stream so that i

4616
03:02:17,830 --> 03:02:15,510
everything is in its own full screen so

4617
03:02:19,990 --> 03:02:17,840
i have this huge amount of real estate

4618
03:02:21,110 --> 03:02:20,000
desktop real estate with just really one

4619
03:02:23,429 --> 03:02:21,120
screen

4620
03:02:24,790 --> 03:02:23,439
um eventually i might add another

4621
03:02:26,550 --> 03:02:24,800
physical screen but this is working

4622
03:02:27,670 --> 03:02:26,560
great for me and i've customized this

4623
03:02:30,070 --> 03:02:27,680
whole rig

4624
03:02:32,150 --> 03:02:30,080
just for running the show i have my

4625
03:02:34,870 --> 03:02:32,160
video editors my audio editors

4626
03:02:35,429 --> 03:02:34,880
uh research materials folders for each

4627
03:02:37,830 --> 03:02:35,439
show

4628
03:02:39,910 --> 03:02:37,840
whatever i need and the whole system is

4629
03:02:41,670 --> 03:02:39,920
customized just for running the show

4630
03:02:43,510 --> 03:02:41,680
all my graphic editors for making

4631
03:02:46,230 --> 03:02:43,520
thumbnails it's really

4632
03:02:48,150 --> 03:02:46,240
working out great kalkwarf agrees with

4633
03:02:49,750 --> 03:02:48,160
me windows 10 sucks well you're a mac

4634
03:02:51,670 --> 03:02:49,760
guy so you think all windows sucks

4635
03:02:54,070 --> 03:02:51,680
windows 7 was pretty good

4636
03:02:55,269 --> 03:02:54,080
i liked it's kind of like i like every

4637
03:02:58,389 --> 03:02:55,279
other you know

4638
03:03:03,030 --> 03:02:58,399
well i like is a strong word i

4639
03:03:06,630 --> 03:03:03,040
used and didn't mind using windows xp

4640
03:03:08,550 --> 03:03:06,640
i used and didn't mind using windows 98

4641
03:03:10,550 --> 03:03:08,560
and it's like every other thing they

4642
03:03:13,750 --> 03:03:10,560
make is terrible though

4643
03:03:15,750 --> 03:03:13,760
so like windows 98 second edition

4644
03:03:17,110 --> 03:03:15,760
pretty good windows me absolutely

4645
03:03:20,870 --> 03:03:17,120
terrible crash city

4646
03:03:24,309 --> 03:03:20,880
right windows 2000 much better xp

4647
03:03:26,790 --> 03:03:24,319
really good right and vista horrible

4648
03:03:28,870 --> 03:03:26,800
and then uh what was after that eight

4649
03:03:31,670 --> 03:03:28,880
horrible they had two horrible in a row

4650
03:03:32,630 --> 03:03:31,680
right or no it was seven and then eight

4651
03:03:35,110 --> 03:03:32,640
eight was horrible

4652
03:03:36,950 --> 03:03:35,120
so yeah it's like every other one they

4653
03:03:37,910 --> 03:03:36,960
screw it all up and ten they're not

4654
03:03:41,269 --> 03:03:37,920
changing anytime

4655
03:03:45,830 --> 03:03:41,279
soon so good luck man

4656
03:03:52,830 --> 03:03:48,950
spooky it really is it really is i

4657
03:03:54,309 --> 03:03:52,840
promise you it's xlr mic it's it's xlr

4658
03:03:56,389 --> 03:03:54,319
mic

4659
03:03:57,349 --> 03:03:56,399
and there's an adapter in the back to go

4660
03:04:06,950 --> 03:03:57,359
into the

4661
03:04:10,070 --> 03:04:08,469
kelkor said we had these problems when i

4662
03:04:12,469 --> 03:04:10,080
was on the boeing standards board steve

4663
03:04:16,550 --> 03:04:12,479
bomber really screwed them

4664
03:04:18,469 --> 03:04:16,560
uh okay yeah and uh

4665
03:04:20,150 --> 03:04:18,479
you know one of the things that's always

4666
03:04:21,990 --> 03:04:20,160
funny to me about microsoft operating

4667
03:04:24,150 --> 03:04:22,000
systems is that like

4668
03:04:25,510 --> 03:04:24,160
you can still use xp people say there's

4669
03:04:29,110 --> 03:04:25,520
a security risk or

4670
03:04:32,150 --> 03:04:29,120
you know i don't know i have uh

4671
03:04:32,790 --> 03:04:32,160
two windows xp machines downstairs that

4672
03:04:35,190 --> 03:04:32,800
are

4673
03:04:37,110 --> 03:04:35,200
fine i'm running firefox on them never

4674
03:04:39,030 --> 03:04:37,120
had a security issue but then again i am

4675
03:04:40,630 --> 03:04:39,040
an it guy so i know how to have a good

4676
03:04:43,510 --> 03:04:40,640
firewall and a few other

4677
03:04:44,550 --> 03:04:43,520
security issues you know and i don't

4678
03:04:47,269 --> 03:04:44,560
ever install

4679
03:04:48,790 --> 03:04:47,279
unverified software i don't download

4680
03:04:50,150 --> 03:04:48,800
stuff from the internet and install it

4681
03:04:53,429 --> 03:04:50,160
on my workstations

4682
03:04:55,429 --> 03:04:53,439
so i don't have any issues i could still

4683
03:04:58,230 --> 03:04:55,439
use xp

4684
03:04:59,750 --> 03:04:58,240
forever but they won't let you you know

4685
03:05:03,269 --> 03:04:59,760
like a lot of the modern browsers won't

4686
03:05:03,279 --> 03:05:08,630
windows 11 will be intravenous yeah

4687
03:05:12,550 --> 03:05:10,790
the context you're a mac guy too right

4688
03:05:15,510 --> 03:05:12,560
haven't used windows in 15 years never

4689
03:05:22,150 --> 03:05:18,950
i know daniel i try to like mac os

4690
03:05:24,550 --> 03:05:22,160
but linux ruined me if i had never

4691
03:05:25,269 --> 03:05:24,560
known anything about linux and i tried

4692
03:05:27,670 --> 03:05:25,279
mac os

4693
03:05:29,590 --> 03:05:27,680
after being a windows user i would

4694
03:05:31,030 --> 03:05:29,600
probably be okay with it but the fact

4695
03:05:32,790 --> 03:05:31,040
that it's just to me it's like

4696
03:05:34,710 --> 03:05:32,800
linux that you can't change anything you

4697
03:05:35,429 --> 03:05:34,720
can change your wallpaper that's about

4698
03:05:41,030 --> 03:05:35,439
it

4699
03:05:42,469 --> 03:05:41,040
you know i'm a creative person so i

4700
03:05:44,950 --> 03:05:42,479
thought yeah i should really learn to

4701
03:05:45,510 --> 03:05:44,960
use final cut and garageband and all

4702
03:05:47,349 --> 03:05:45,520
these

4703
03:05:49,429 --> 03:05:47,359
logic and some other software that only

4704
03:05:51,510 --> 03:05:49,439
works on macs

4705
03:05:54,230 --> 03:05:51,520
i don't like any of it i just don't like

4706
03:05:57,269 --> 03:05:54,240
any of it and i think really

4707
03:05:59,110 --> 03:05:57,279
you know at the end of the day uh

4708
03:06:00,950 --> 03:05:59,120
nobody cares what you use to produce a

4709
03:06:02,790 --> 03:06:00,960
video right except maybe for another

4710
03:06:04,630 --> 03:06:02,800
video producer like i might ask you

4711
03:06:05,830 --> 03:06:04,640
daniel what software are you using for

4712
03:06:09,190 --> 03:06:05,840
your editor

4713
03:06:11,190 --> 03:06:09,200
and you'll tell me right but it doesn't

4714
03:06:11,830 --> 03:06:11,200
matter to the average viewer of that

4715
03:06:14,550 --> 03:06:11,840
video

4716
03:06:16,389 --> 03:06:14,560
if you use final cut or you know

4717
03:06:17,510 --> 03:06:16,399
premiere or whatever you use doesn't

4718
03:06:20,710 --> 03:06:17,520
really matter

4719
03:06:22,150 --> 03:06:20,720
so i think uh yeah it's it's linux but

4720
03:06:22,630 --> 03:06:22,160
everything's locked down you can't

4721
03:06:27,830 --> 03:06:22,640
change

4722
03:06:29,190 --> 03:06:27,840
well

4723
03:06:30,630 --> 03:06:29,200
i guess you could change the fonts but

4724
03:06:41,510 --> 03:06:30,640
that's about it you can change the

4725
03:06:44,630 --> 03:06:42,870
i don't want to change anything just

4726
03:06:46,070 --> 03:06:44,640
don't want it to get viruses and break

4727
03:06:50,950 --> 03:06:46,080
yeah well that's the only good thing i

4728
03:06:54,550 --> 03:06:53,910
i've never had a uh i don't know 15

4729
03:06:57,030 --> 03:06:54,560
years

4730
03:06:58,469 --> 03:06:57,040
using linux probably i've never had a

4731
03:07:01,510 --> 03:06:58,479
virus

4732
03:07:04,790 --> 03:07:01,520
problemate a linux computer ever

4733
03:07:06,710 --> 03:07:04,800
never once but i've had a lot of windows

4734
03:07:09,750 --> 03:07:06,720
computers that i had to

4735
03:07:11,750 --> 03:07:09,760
you know constantly

4736
03:07:14,070 --> 03:07:11,760
be running scanners and you know

4737
03:07:15,510 --> 03:07:14,080
cleaning garbage off but that's

4738
03:07:17,190 --> 03:07:15,520
partially user error

4739
03:07:18,150 --> 03:07:17,200
when you're downloading crap from the

4740
03:07:19,269 --> 03:07:18,160
internet you never know what you're

4741
03:07:21,670 --> 03:07:19,279
gonna get

4742
03:07:23,110 --> 03:07:21,680
and windows for sure is a lot less

4743
03:07:25,910 --> 03:07:23,120
secure than

4744
03:07:27,830 --> 03:07:25,920
anything else that i've used uh it's

4745
03:07:30,230 --> 03:07:27,840
terrible

4746
03:07:30,870 --> 03:07:30,240
i use it still a little bit i use it for

4747
03:07:33,269 --> 03:07:30,880
games

4748
03:07:34,870 --> 03:07:33,279
right and uh but steam is getting better

4749
03:07:40,070 --> 03:07:34,880
with the linux game so soon i won't have

4750
03:07:43,590 --> 03:07:41,990
peter says i'm playing a game on windows

4751
03:07:44,950 --> 03:07:43,600
and watching steven on a mac

4752
03:07:47,110 --> 03:07:44,960
well there you go that's the best of

4753
03:07:47,670 --> 03:07:47,120
both worlds right i have a friend that

4754
03:07:51,750 --> 03:07:47,680
uses

4755
03:07:53,670 --> 03:07:51,760
a mac uh as his main computer but he has

4756
03:07:54,710 --> 03:07:53,680
a windows computer on the side and he

4757
03:07:57,670 --> 03:07:54,720
shares his

4758
03:07:58,790 --> 03:07:57,680
mouse and keyboard between them so that

4759
03:08:03,590 --> 03:07:58,800
might be a good way

4760
03:08:06,630 --> 03:08:05,030
yeah i don't i don't know camcorder

4761
03:08:08,389 --> 03:08:06,640
courses apple's on its way

4762
03:08:10,309 --> 03:08:08,399
to being the first and only three

4763
03:08:12,070 --> 03:08:10,319
trillion dollar company after over 40

4764
03:08:16,150 --> 03:08:12,080
years they still lead the industry says

4765
03:08:19,349 --> 03:08:18,870
uh i'm hoping to be their competition

4766
03:08:22,950 --> 03:08:19,359
soon

4767
03:08:25,590 --> 03:08:22,960
mr cooper so i won't comment on apple

4768
03:08:27,429 --> 03:08:25,600
except to say that uh you know i don't

4769
03:08:29,670 --> 03:08:27,439
find them to be a very ethical company

4770
03:08:30,710 --> 03:08:29,680
i don't care how successful they are you

4771
03:08:34,790 --> 03:08:30,720
know

4772
03:08:36,790 --> 03:08:34,800
um i think it's it's entirely possible

4773
03:08:40,870 --> 03:08:36,800
to make computers without employing

4774
03:08:42,469 --> 03:08:40,880
slave laborers or child laborers

4775
03:08:44,150 --> 03:08:42,479
and so i have a big problem with that

4776
03:08:46,150 --> 03:08:44,160
and also the other ethical things

4777
03:08:47,910 --> 03:08:46,160
uh that they have been caught in like

4778
03:08:51,190 --> 03:08:47,920
purposefully slowing people's phones

4779
03:08:54,630 --> 03:08:51,200
down so they just buy new ones

4780
03:08:55,190 --> 03:08:54,640
that is terrible kalkwarf so you know i

4781
03:08:58,630 --> 03:08:55,200
understand

4782
03:09:01,750 --> 03:08:58,640
people are people are uh

4783
03:09:03,990 --> 03:09:01,760
eric anderson says mac os locked down

4784
03:09:06,230 --> 03:09:04,000
linux i run ubuntu for most stuff

4785
03:09:07,910 --> 03:09:06,240
yeah i ran ubuntu for a little while and

4786
03:09:09,990 --> 03:09:07,920
then i ran linux mint

4787
03:09:11,670 --> 03:09:10,000
but mostly i run my own version of linux

4788
03:09:13,030 --> 03:09:11,680
which is based off of puppy linux which

4789
03:09:15,190 --> 03:09:13,040
runs entirely in ram

4790
03:09:16,070 --> 03:09:15,200
it's super fast even on this 10 year old

4791
03:09:17,910 --> 03:09:16,080
imac

4792
03:09:19,190 --> 03:09:17,920
i got like i think it's 10 years i don't

4793
03:09:20,150 --> 03:09:19,200
know how old this thing is it's pretty

4794
03:09:22,550 --> 03:09:20,160
old

4795
03:09:23,750 --> 03:09:22,560
um but it's a 27 inch imac and it's

4796
03:09:26,870 --> 03:09:23,760
ancient and uh

4797
03:09:27,349 --> 03:09:26,880
this thing runs super quick uh with my

4798
03:09:32,229 --> 03:09:27,359
system

4799
03:09:34,070 --> 03:09:32,239
on it oh let me check in uh

4800
03:09:39,910 --> 03:09:34,080
let me check in with something real fast

4801
03:09:48,150 --> 03:09:44,950
no no money no honey there we go

4802
03:09:49,830 --> 03:09:48,160
all right friends well i guess uh yeah

4803
03:09:51,190 --> 03:09:49,840
cow court face less ethical than

4804
03:09:53,670 --> 03:09:51,200
microsoft or google

4805
03:09:54,389 --> 03:09:53,680
no i think they all have really big

4806
03:09:56,550 --> 03:09:54,399
issues and

4807
03:09:58,469 --> 03:09:56,560
actually i wrote i'll send it to you

4808
03:10:00,550 --> 03:09:58,479
when i if i can

4809
03:10:03,190 --> 03:10:00,560
i gotta dig it out but i wrote a

4810
03:10:05,750 --> 03:10:03,200
statement of ethics for my company

4811
03:10:08,229 --> 03:10:05,760
um which you might find interesting and

4812
03:10:11,750 --> 03:10:08,239
my statement of ethics is very simple

4813
03:10:13,830 --> 03:10:11,760
is that no humans get hurt in the

4814
03:10:16,630 --> 03:10:13,840
production of our products

4815
03:10:18,150 --> 03:10:16,640
um and believe it or not that's that's a

4816
03:10:20,309 --> 03:10:18,160
hard thing to ensure

4817
03:10:22,229 --> 03:10:20,319
because what if i hire overseas

4818
03:10:23,670 --> 03:10:22,239
manufacturers i don't know that the

4819
03:10:25,269 --> 03:10:23,680
workers on the line are going to be

4820
03:10:26,229 --> 03:10:25,279
treated ethically but i'm going to make

4821
03:10:29,990 --> 03:10:26,239
it a point

4822
03:10:31,110 --> 03:10:30,000
to make sure they are or i won't employ

4823
03:10:35,429 --> 03:10:31,120
that company

4824
03:10:38,309 --> 03:10:35,439
to help make our products um

4825
03:10:40,950 --> 03:10:38,319
and i get it it's difficult it is it's

4826
03:10:43,830 --> 03:10:40,960
it's a complicated issue mr korff

4827
03:10:45,750 --> 03:10:43,840
the ethical production of products

4828
03:10:48,070 --> 03:10:45,760
because even when you get into parts

4829
03:10:49,590 --> 03:10:48,080
you know like if the computer uses

4830
03:10:52,710 --> 03:10:49,600
lithium battery

4831
03:10:54,870 --> 03:10:52,720
was that lithium mined ethically

4832
03:10:56,710 --> 03:10:54,880
or were children used to mine that

4833
03:10:59,110 --> 03:10:56,720
lithium in africa

4834
03:11:00,630 --> 03:10:59,120
these are complicated issues but i think

4835
03:11:02,309 --> 03:11:00,640
if you're going to run a company that's

4836
03:11:05,429 --> 03:11:02,319
making millions of products

4837
03:11:07,510 --> 03:11:05,439
it's really you have a responsibility

4838
03:11:08,790 --> 03:11:07,520
to make sure that people are not being

4839
03:11:10,950 --> 03:11:08,800
mistreated

4840
03:11:11,910 --> 03:11:10,960
to produce your products and create

4841
03:11:14,070 --> 03:11:11,920
profit

4842
03:11:16,710 --> 03:11:14,080
i'm all for capitalism but i think it's

4843
03:11:18,309 --> 03:11:16,720
got to be done ethically or

4844
03:11:19,429 --> 03:11:18,319
you know you lose a lot of points with

4845
03:11:21,190 --> 03:11:19,439
me i don't really care if you're a

4846
03:11:23,110 --> 03:11:21,200
billion dollar company if you became a

4847
03:11:23,750 --> 03:11:23,120
billion dollar company by exploiting

4848
03:11:27,910 --> 03:11:23,760
children

4849
03:11:31,590 --> 03:11:29,510
various districts are like programming

4850
03:11:32,950 --> 03:11:31,600
languages most

4851
03:11:35,670 --> 03:11:32,960
once you know your way around you can

4852
03:11:38,229 --> 03:11:35,680
pick and choose yeah and a lot has to do

4853
03:11:40,469 --> 03:11:38,239
with when you get into linux eric

4854
03:11:43,030 --> 03:11:40,479
anderson a lot has to do with just

4855
03:11:44,229 --> 03:11:43,040
things like your window manager like i

4856
03:11:47,510 --> 03:11:44,239
use xfce

4857
03:11:50,550 --> 03:11:47,520
and i can use that on linux mint

4858
03:11:52,229 --> 03:11:50,560
i can use it on arcs linux and and to me

4859
03:11:53,590 --> 03:11:52,239
like once you learn your window manager

4860
03:11:56,630 --> 03:11:53,600
really well

4861
03:11:58,550 --> 03:11:56,640
the distro doesn't matter so much i mean

4862
03:11:59,750 --> 03:11:58,560
they have different package managers or

4863
03:12:01,510 --> 03:11:59,760
ways of installing

4864
03:12:03,030 --> 03:12:01,520
software but other than that and i like

4865
03:12:05,590 --> 03:12:03,040
debian based so my

4866
03:12:07,269 --> 03:12:05,600
linux system is dbm based you can always

4867
03:12:08,389 --> 03:12:07,279
get a dent package for any piece of

4868
03:12:10,790 --> 03:12:08,399
software

4869
03:12:11,510 --> 03:12:10,800
i can't tell you eric anderson i used to

4870
03:12:12,950 --> 03:12:11,520
compile

4871
03:12:14,550 --> 03:12:12,960
right you would get the source code and

4872
03:12:16,469 --> 03:12:14,560
compile it right on your machine i

4873
03:12:19,830 --> 03:12:16,479
haven't had to do that in a few years

4874
03:12:22,870 --> 03:12:19,840
well no that's not true for altos

4875
03:12:26,150 --> 03:12:22,880
i have custom compiled some things um to

4876
03:12:29,429 --> 03:12:28,790
ray carr how do we get your version um

4877
03:12:32,229 --> 03:12:29,439
you can go

4878
03:12:33,830 --> 03:12:32,239
to the the alto's alpha 1 is out but i

4879
03:12:36,229 --> 03:12:33,840
really recommend that people wait

4880
03:12:37,590 --> 03:12:36,239
because the altos alpha 2 will be out

4881
03:12:38,870 --> 03:12:37,600
next month

4882
03:12:41,030 --> 03:12:38,880
i know i've been saying that for a while

4883
03:12:43,670 --> 03:12:41,040
but it's really ready now i just have to

4884
03:12:44,150 --> 03:12:43,680
i have to fix a few last minute things

4885
03:12:48,150 --> 03:12:44,160
and

4886
03:12:49,269 --> 03:12:48,160
then upload it

4887
03:12:51,670 --> 03:12:49,279
and that's going to be a hundred

4888
03:12:53,269 --> 03:12:51,680
gigabytes so

4889
03:12:55,670 --> 03:12:53,279
for those familiar with linux it usually

4890
03:12:57,590 --> 03:12:55,680
comes on a dvd that's like four gigs and

4891
03:12:59,590 --> 03:12:57,600
then once it's installed you just have a

4892
03:13:00,150 --> 03:12:59,600
very basic system and then you've got to

4893
03:13:01,830 --> 03:13:00,160
install

4894
03:13:04,389 --> 03:13:01,840
all your applications office is

4895
03:13:07,510 --> 03:13:04,399
different in that it's a maximal

4896
03:13:08,870 --> 03:13:07,520
sort of distribution that comes with 100

4897
03:13:10,710 --> 03:13:08,880
gigabytes of software

4898
03:13:14,550 --> 03:13:10,720
there's tons of video editors audio

4899
03:13:17,269 --> 03:13:14,560
editors software synthesizers

4900
03:13:17,750 --> 03:13:17,279
computer-aided design graphics programs

4901
03:13:20,630 --> 03:13:17,760
just

4902
03:13:21,830 --> 03:13:20,640
it's really for creative people i think

4903
03:13:26,229 --> 03:13:21,840
it's really powerful

4904
03:13:26,950 --> 03:13:26,239
system the alpha one was 32 gigabytes

4905
03:13:30,229 --> 03:13:26,960
and also

4906
03:13:34,550 --> 03:13:30,239
in the new alpha um in the new

4907
03:13:36,870 --> 03:13:34,560
alpha for altos which is alpha 2

4908
03:13:38,229 --> 03:13:36,880
excuse me i went out of my way to

4909
03:13:40,389 --> 03:13:38,239
include

4910
03:13:41,590 --> 03:13:40,399
all these different emulators so

4911
03:13:44,870 --> 03:13:41,600
essentially

4912
03:13:48,309 --> 03:13:44,880
altos alpha 2 will run almost

4913
03:13:52,630 --> 03:13:48,319
any computer software commodore 64

4914
03:13:55,910 --> 03:13:52,640
commodore amiga classic mac os

4915
03:13:59,349 --> 03:13:55,920
uh ibm os2 software

4916
03:14:02,630 --> 03:13:59,359
software tandy color computer

4917
03:14:04,550 --> 03:14:02,640
atari st it'll run almost any computer

4918
03:14:07,269 --> 03:14:04,560
software through the emulation

4919
03:14:08,950 --> 03:14:07,279
and also it'll run almost any game

4920
03:14:09,750 --> 03:14:08,960
through the console emulators that are

4921
03:14:11,429 --> 03:14:09,760
included

4922
03:14:13,590 --> 03:14:11,439
now i don't include roms because i can't

4923
03:14:14,630 --> 03:14:13,600
legally but most people know where to

4924
03:14:16,950 --> 03:14:14,640
find them

4925
03:14:19,269 --> 03:14:16,960
and if you get alters up and running on

4926
03:14:22,469 --> 03:14:19,279
a spare machine you can run

4927
03:14:25,750 --> 03:14:22,479
sega genesis nintendo super nintendo

4928
03:14:29,190 --> 03:14:25,760
nintendo 64. sega dreamcast

4929
03:14:31,269 --> 03:14:29,200
um playstation one and two xbox and xbox

4930
03:14:34,710 --> 03:14:31,279
360 games neo geo

4931
03:14:36,150 --> 03:14:34,720
turbo graphics 16 i've gone out of my

4932
03:14:38,389 --> 03:14:36,160
way to make sure that like

4933
03:14:40,150 --> 03:14:38,399
it'll i want it to run anything if

4934
03:14:42,389 --> 03:14:40,160
you've got an old game used to play 20

4935
03:14:48,070 --> 03:14:42,399
years ago it should run it

4936
03:14:52,070 --> 03:14:50,070
i'm too wedded to adobe products need

4937
03:14:52,790 --> 03:14:52,080
them as industry standard for the work i

4938
03:14:55,269 --> 03:14:52,800
do

4939
03:14:56,870 --> 03:14:55,279
yeah i i understand that daniel but i

4940
03:14:58,790 --> 03:14:56,880
think that they're really roping people

4941
03:14:59,590 --> 03:14:58,800
into software slavery because once you

4942
03:15:03,349 --> 03:14:59,600
get used to

4943
03:15:05,349 --> 03:15:03,359
using that audio editor video editor

4944
03:15:06,469 --> 03:15:05,359
special effects designer after effects

4945
03:15:09,510 --> 03:15:06,479
whatever

4946
03:15:11,269 --> 03:15:09,520
you really can't we could learn

4947
03:15:12,870 --> 03:15:11,279
something else but you won't because

4948
03:15:13,190 --> 03:15:12,880
you're just used to it and it works for

4949
03:15:15,269 --> 03:15:13,200
you

4950
03:15:16,469 --> 03:15:15,279
i made it a point to never get involved

4951
03:15:18,469 --> 03:15:16,479
with adobe cloud

4952
03:15:20,309 --> 03:15:18,479
i still use many adobe products but i

4953
03:15:21,830 --> 03:15:20,319
use the versions that they made

4954
03:15:23,750 --> 03:15:21,840
right before they went to the cloud

4955
03:15:24,870 --> 03:15:23,760
model i don't like paying by the month

4956
03:15:26,630 --> 03:15:24,880
to use software

4957
03:15:28,710 --> 03:15:26,640
i like to buy it once and i should be

4958
03:15:30,550 --> 03:15:28,720
able to use it for the rest of my life

4959
03:15:32,870 --> 03:15:30,560
that's my own personal philosophy and

4960
03:15:36,070 --> 03:15:32,880
also free and open source

4961
03:15:37,030 --> 03:15:36,080
software um is always there's always an

4962
03:15:39,510 --> 03:15:37,040
alternative

4963
03:15:41,429 --> 03:15:39,520
the problem is that yeah of course like

4964
03:15:44,469 --> 03:15:41,439
a commercial video editor like

4965
03:15:46,710 --> 03:15:44,479
adobe uh

4966
03:15:47,990 --> 03:15:46,720
and final cut and all that they're gonna

4967
03:15:50,630 --> 03:15:48,000
be better than a free

4968
03:15:51,429 --> 03:15:50,640
open source video editor but with a few

4969
03:15:53,269 --> 03:15:51,439
work arounds

4970
03:15:54,790 --> 03:15:53,279
you'd be surprised you'd be able to do

4971
03:15:56,550 --> 03:15:54,800
everything you do right now

4972
03:15:58,469 --> 03:15:56,560
on the creative cloud you'd be able to

4973
03:15:59,990 --> 03:15:58,479
do it on a good linux system

4974
03:16:02,150 --> 03:16:00,000
if you knew somebody like me that could

4975
03:16:03,750 --> 03:16:02,160
set it up for you

4976
03:16:05,590 --> 03:16:03,760
out of the box not knowing much about

4977
03:16:07,349 --> 03:16:05,600
linux you're gonna have a hard time

4978
03:16:09,910 --> 03:16:07,359
coming up with all those alternatives

4979
03:16:13,349 --> 03:16:09,920
but it is what it is

4980
03:16:14,150 --> 03:16:13,359
i uh i put the time in like i'm like i'm

4981
03:16:16,630 --> 03:16:14,160
gonna

4982
03:16:18,389 --> 03:16:16,640
try 10 linux video editors until i get

4983
03:16:22,950 --> 03:16:18,399
one that i can work

4984
03:16:28,790 --> 03:16:25,349
kill my power switch light that's not

4985
03:16:32,469 --> 03:16:30,630
yeah i agree but can't change need to be

4986
03:16:34,550 --> 03:16:32,479
cross-compatible with colleagues

4987
03:16:35,670 --> 03:16:34,560
uh yeah i don't know do you do a lot of

4988
03:16:37,349 --> 03:16:35,680
projects where

4989
03:16:39,190 --> 03:16:37,359
you're editing a video with 10 other

4990
03:16:42,710 --> 03:16:39,200
people i don't

4991
03:16:46,710 --> 03:16:44,630
industry standard means have to use it

4992
03:16:48,309 --> 03:16:46,720
only if every only if you choose to i

4993
03:16:49,269 --> 03:16:48,319
think though daniel i don't think you

4994
03:16:52,229 --> 03:16:49,279
have to i think

4995
03:16:54,309 --> 03:16:52,239
it just makes your life more convenient

4996
03:16:57,670 --> 03:16:54,319
um

4997
03:17:00,309 --> 03:16:57,680
yeah eric anderson blender give free

4998
03:17:02,630 --> 03:17:00,319
free cad etc yeah all those are included

4999
03:17:04,389 --> 03:17:02,640
in altos too by the way

5000
03:17:06,150 --> 03:17:04,399
but i don't know how we got onto

5001
03:17:08,229 --> 03:17:06,160
software and operating systems

5002
03:17:09,590 --> 03:17:08,239
i thought we would uh finish up talking

5003
03:17:11,349 --> 03:17:09,600
about roswell but

5004
03:17:13,030 --> 03:17:11,359
i see that the hour is getting late so

5005
03:17:14,550 --> 03:17:13,040
we're probably going to wrap things up

5006
03:17:16,070 --> 03:17:14,560
here for the night

5007
03:17:18,710 --> 03:17:16,080
i want to thank each and every one of

5008
03:17:20,469 --> 03:17:18,720
you for joining us

5009
03:17:23,429 --> 03:17:20,479
i always say this friends it's always

5010
03:17:24,710 --> 03:17:23,439
good when there's an audience

5011
03:17:26,309 --> 03:17:24,720
i'm always happy when there's an

5012
03:17:28,469 --> 03:17:26,319
audience and i'm happy that you could be

5013
03:17:30,870 --> 03:17:28,479
a part of mine

5014
03:17:32,309 --> 03:17:30,880
until next time friends my name is

5015
03:17:52,830 --> 03:17:32,319
stephen campion

5016
03:18:20,830 --> 03:17:54,300
so

5017
03:18:22,860 --> 03:18:20,840
[Music]

5018
03:18:57,850 --> 03:18:22,870
so

5019
03:18:59,220 --> 03:18:57,860
[Music]

5020
03:19:16,830 --> 03:18:59,230
[Applause]

5021
03:19:18,210 --> 03:19:16,840
[Music]